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She makes an excellent point that an opening is being made on the left that's backdooring some truly horrible influencers into the hearts and minds of otherwise good people.
However the suggestion that we need to reach out to Zionists to mend that hole is... well it's nuts really.
There's a growing convergence out there and we should embrace it. People traditionally on the left and right of a two-party system that's been largely aligned in its support for evil are finally realising that there's a lot of things we agree on that're not supported by either party. The only way we get those things is to break the hold the old guard has on us.
There is this political maneuver that is being embraced by DSA politicians that is preparing for the inevitable right wing anti Zionist candidate (like Tucker Carlson).
They seem to be attempting to move to the "we want to understand and listen to everyone". It's a fucking trap and will be absolutely destroyed by the "what's going on?" Propaganda from Tucker and Candice.
It's liberalism to the core and it will be seen as weak political pandering in a 2028 world in which Americans are blaming Israel entirely for the material decline.
The answer is NOT to talk to Zionist. The answer is to truly connect the Zionist interest to the interest of our ruling capitalist class. Fuck listening to Zionist. I'm sorry, you're not reaching out to the Jewish community.
The American Jewish community is disconnecting itself from Israel more and more each day. Especially among the younger generation. You LEAD this change. You don't follow it.
Disconnect Jewish identity from Zionism. Ignore the Jewish Zionist saying they "don't feel heard". Fuck them. They are Nazis the same as the Christian Zionist. Stop treating a Jewish Zionist as something special that you don't do for the larger population of Christian Zionist. Stop treating them with kiddie gloves.
Disconnect from Zionist. They are modern day Nazis.
Fight the right on the material concerns of the working class. Fight the Tuckers on their class interest. Don't make the 2028 election about the US being "controlled by Israel". We will lose that fight. We will lose because we are not addressing the full contradictions of capitalism. And the far right is significantly better at lying to avoid contradictions. We can't do that.
If we are going to win we HAVE to abandon this liberal idealism around "hearing people" that are our enemies. Fuck Zionist.
*kid gloves
As in gloves made of kid leather.
Not kiddie gloves.
BTW, goatskin gloves are the best work gloves. Thin goatskin gloves last far longer than thick cowhide gloves. Those goats have really tough skin. They are well worth the extra cost.
They are also supposed to contain natural lanolin, which makes your skin softer. I never really noticed that making a difference. Probably just a marketing ploy to get women to buy them.
To be clear, this is not DSAs line, these are Democrat acting opportunistically within the electoralist faction of DSA.
Edit: She has made a statement saying she mispoke
Yeah, its a really weird mashup of:
"too much of the mainstream rhetoric around liberation for Palestine and anti-zionism is coming from Nazis who just hate jews" (True!)
and
"so actually what we need to do is listen to the Zionist community and hear their perspectives"
Which uhhhh, one of those things is a very good point to be making. The other is bewildering, get the fuck out of here with that. "We should listen to people who subscribe to this particular brand of ethno-nationalism, who will hear their voices? We only listen to the domestic ethno-nationalists, what about the ethnic nationalists who represent people abroad??"
We say fuck nazis and we can also say fuck zionists!
These are NOT mutually exclusive.
The "horrible influences" you mention are very real. Just recently I finally got round to blocking lemmy.ml. I always kept them around because I do value breaking into other echo chambers a bit to see things from their point of view.
They recently had a video posted, hosted on X, with claims that Israel conspired with Morocco to release migrants into Ceuta. The X post itself was filled with antisemitism. And I meant full-blown antisemitism, like Jewish caricatures, Nazi-rhetoric, not the "antizionism = antisemitism" kind.
I commented that I felt a bit uneasy taking a completely context-less video, blaming what's happening on a "Jewish conspiracy" (that's how it was being phrased) and simultaneously fully going along with far-right talking points (that Europe is being "invaded" (despite 95%+ migrants already having returned because Ceuta is not in Shengen) and that "Jewish elites" are conspiring to replace Christians with Muslims (great replacement theory but even stupider I guess)). Not to mention the total lack of class solidarity with the migrants.
Comment was upvotes +16 last I checked, but then got removed and I got banned for "zionism" (despite very clearly expressing my disdain for Israel and its genocide in that same comment). Antizionism must be kept separate from antisemitic influences, or Israel will use it to dismiss critics and justify their genocide. That .ml has apparently failed to do this is not something I wish to tolerate.
Link the post
https://lemmy.ml/post/50777620 Just look at the vile shit being posted on Twatter below that video.
Weirdly despite the mod removing my comment, my original comment isn't visible in the modlog; that only shows a ban. I assume I must be ignorant of how the modlog works, but previously I could view the contents of my comment there too. Did they change that or did they mess with the modlog?
X is full of call for violence and hate speech towards all people , nothing surprising here. My guess is that your comment sounded it like people can't say Israel control this , Israel conspired to have does that because it sound similar to real antisemite rhetoric towards jews but the different we have zero evidence of all the antisemitic bullshit about jews but he have ton of historical example of israel or it's lobbies doing terrible things in secret . We saw how all mainstream media keep defending israel, it can't be coincidence , we saw bbc removing 2 documentaries about the suffering in gaza after the lobby outrage , we have evidence of israel doing false flags operations. Regarding this particular event. Ynet has proven to push the israeli government framing and they wrote an article literally about this
Abraham Accords reach the Strait: how Israel can help Morocco reclaim its north
All I said was that we have no context on the video (is Morocco transporting migrants or did they intercept a transport, the exact opposite of the narrative presented? Since this appears to be in the middle of nowhere). Morocco generally has good relations with Spain when it comes to taking migrants back (by the end of the day the vast majority had already returned).
Then I mentioned we had zero evidence presented that Israel is involved. The "strongest" evidence presented is a couple tweets from Netanyahu's son from 7 years ago. Not very compelling imo, especially given the evidence for completely different reasons for this migration wave, that Sanchez also gave.
Then I highlighted how this narrative was playing directly into the right's hand, by having the left agree that "migrants are invading Europe" which in the Ceuta case is ridiculous by itself since it isn't a Shengen area. And I pointed the genuine, unadulterated antisemitism under those tweets, "Jews control the world"-type shit (and worse).
I never disputed that Israel does shady shit, nor that it is a disgusting genocidal state. But apparently that's "zionism" according to ".ml".
So you simply ignore all what i said on why israel is involved?
The right exploiting an event is not a reason to reject evidence of that event it is so ridiculous. It like also saying people should not oppose isis becsuse the right could use it to say all muslims are terrorists and a dsnger to the western world
She literally used the rhetoric what make people gravitate to tucker.