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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It was free, before Columbus arrived.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Did Columbus ever go to what is now the USA?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He might have gone to Puerto Rico

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

It was the land of the free before a moment in history where this guy found the americas which resulted in mass genocide of a giant continent. He may not have been in what is now known as the USA but his discovery sure was the start of the end of the free world. But at least US Americans are still free to celebrate the genocide their ancestors committed during Thanksgiving while their tax dollars go to weapons sent to be used in the current genocide in Gaza.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Was it? The first European settlers found native villages that were surrounded by palisades. There was plenty of conflict before the Europeans got there.

If you look at the various conflicts between 1600 and 1900 or so, you'll see it's always some European group with a list of Native groups supporting them vs. some other European group with their own different set of Native groups.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying some tribes having a fight over some land is similar to the genocide?

[–] anzo@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Of course not. In the same sense that you were not romanticizing the war between empires. The Incas for example were able to dominate a lot of land. The greed was there. To understand we are humans, we need to admit even the parts that put us to shame. Only from recognizing shortcomings we can build something better. And it's not like humans are always greedy, survival of the strongest, yada yada. That's an oversimplification that some build over this fact (it's their agenda.), that we are not perfect. But it's not an essentialism, we can be better.

Anyway, sorry I ended up ranting off topic. Glad to share.