title, im paid by the hour so im wondering if its calculable the amount of time id need to be clocked in n not work to match the surplus value extracted from me
or am i stupid n misunderstanding surplus value
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Socialist movements in the past century have made a point of including the lumpens as continuous with the rest of the proletariat. The line between the two is very blurry and not very instructive.
Any worker could easily and suddenly become unemployed, or homeless, or disabled, or imprisoned; even being removed from the surplus army of labor wouldn't change their position in capitalist reality. Also, the informal and domestic economies are not fully covered by the prole/lumpen dichotomy.
Especially in the present era of neocolonialism and lower-than-ever transparency, I find it useful to categorize by credit and debt, passive income and passive expenses. There are lifetime net creditors, and lifetime net debtors. Because of the compounding structure of the economy, there will always be many times more net debtors than net creditors.