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[-] ToastyMedic@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You made your point dating to the shang, and I dont disagree. Even more, you're right, feudal empires falling isn't a gotcha.

So what about a modern state being violently overthrown? Or is this different because one violent, illegiment warlord championed "the people", and proceeded to starve 200* million of them after taking power?

Which one of these two states still maintains democratic or republican ideals for the people, a reminder that real Legitimacy lay with the people.

Sorry. Just a measley 50 million people mb. Still the worst famine in history. And 100% preventable.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Modern state is when you fund yourself off of opium profits, you appoint your gangster relatives to be in charge of state finances, your officials occasionally run off to form collaborationist governments with Imperial Japan, and you're so corrupt and incompetent that your own allies are disgusted by you and you lose a war against your own people despite the military and financial backing of the most powerful country in the world.

Democratic and republican ideals is when you retreat to an island because you got your ass handed to you and then perpetrate the White Terror against your people for 40 years.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

and proceeded to starve 200 million of them

Reds killed trillions

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Mao paid the clouds not to rain.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

What is it with you right wingers and trivalizing the holocaust?

[-] ToastyMedic@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Kindly show me where the fuck I mentioned the holocaust? Also don't appreciate you straw maning me for not simping over china.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google "double genocide theory" dweeb.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You made your point dating to the shang, and I dont disagree.

Well, as i read about the history of China, previous entity of Xia apparently didn't conquered anyone and even if they did, we don't know, written history of China start from the late Shang period.

About the rest Tankiedesantski answered you about the "republican ideas" of ROC, i can only add that even if you deflect yet again to "real Legitimacy lay with the people" there is nothing more really legitimate by the people than popular revolution which led to the state being supported by 90% of population.

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