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I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for suggesting this, but Vivaldi feels like what Firefox should have been. More customizability, less AI and sponsored crap. They are the only major browser offering an option for a small, reasonably sized tab bar rather than the tab bars with 3 layers of padding and more whitespace than text.
Additionally, Vivaldi doesn't pester you with twice-a-day update pop-ups or worse, the dreaded "Restart to keep using Firefox," it just gets out of your way like a good browser should.
Vivaldi is not open-source, so it shouldn't even be considered as an option. Try !waterfox@programming.dev!
Yup go Waterfox. Truely open and a fork of Firefox. It's the best we have unfortunately.
How does it stack up against librewolf?
But it isn’t truly open though is it? I thought it was owned by a company.
Is it chromium? If yes than pass. Did everyone forgot when Google tried to use chromium to take control with this bullshit?
I tried it before, it was buggy and my tabs locked up. Also since its based on chrome, its very nerfed when it comes to powerful plugins. I didnt like it. My first impression was positive but no, it feels very bloated.
But if you like it and you feel its better than Firefox for you, thats a good thing.
On the other hand they literally built an email client into their web browser. I don't think they've met scope creep they didn't like.
I think floorp and zen are trying to be the Vivaldi of Firefox but with less...stuff.
Netscape 3 with integrated mail and news is still the best internet experience that's ever been conceived or designed or implemented. Communicator screwed it all up less than a year later but it was the best while it lasted.
Fast forward nearly 30 years and pretty much everyone uses webmail, so building a web-based client into your browser to poorly interact with an existing web-based service seems questionable.
If I want something to do a shit job accessing Gmail's shitty non-standard service, I can always let thunderbird do a shit job.
Just because you force yourself to use Gmail, it doesn't mean that Thunderbird is shit for others.
Nobody ever said it was Nobody ever said I force myself to use Gmail, although it would be pretty dumb of you to ignore it's massive popularity.
Waterfox
Good, good💯
i use vivaldi as well. seriously!
Vivaldi is by far the best browser out there. Its customizability and tab handling is second to none. Anyone not giving it a spin are missing out. Yes, their UI is proprietary, but out of all the things to be concerned about, this aint it. They are based in Norway and made by software engineers who worked on Opera browser who out of principle just wants a good browser which is not in corporate hell.
Seriously give it a try.
If i cant use uBlock origin on a browser, it cant be my primaryb browser.
Maybe among the wheelchair bound browsers that don't let you properly block ads.
I stopped using Opera more 15 years ago, shortly before they dropped their own engine.
I did like their customisation options, 20+ years ago they were the only browser supporting mouse gestures too.
But I see no reason why would I want to use what's basically chromium, especially bcs of ad blocking.
Y'all just live with ads? (I don't think sinkholes catch everything.)
Additionally I do not want to support proprietary code if I don't have to.