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Developers of apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect private communications could be considered hostile actors in the UK.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you but what would happen back then is that they simply wouldn't stop the crime.

At some point we need to decide if giving up all semblance of personal privacy is worth stopping some of that. I vote no enthusiastically. We just have to accept that some of that crime won't be stopped and law enforcement will have to work harder.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If our countries could stop doing things that give people a reason to commit terroristic acts, Maybe that would solve some of it and we could be more secure in our papers and possessions without unlawful interference and undue search and seizures but that’s apparently none of my business

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The elite know what's coming. There isn't enough to keep economic growth going and sacrifices will have to be made, and that's not going to be the top. That means something is needed to detect and remove "problems" before they get big.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Growth only matters in capitalism

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Ok but that is a separate discussion.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This isn't a new concept by any means. The argument of crime prevention has been used since governments existed to strip rights

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Sure, and we've always compromised on the 2 as a society. But we continually trend more and more towards prevention rather than privacy and sovereignty.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 9 points 1 week ago

They don't even stop significantly more crime now... They simply invent new "crimes" and jerk each other off for keeping the streets safe from that minority eating their lunch or going for a walk.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago

I would give up privacy only under one condition: everyone gives up all privacy. No exceptions.