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Remember how, before the internet, intelligence agencies by default didn't know what anyone was saying to anyone else face to face or by mail, and had to actually work to find out? The country didn't fall apart. Why is the standard now that everything must be handed to them on a plate? Did they just get lazy?
I'm not disagreeing with you but what would happen back then is that they simply wouldn't stop the crime.
At some point we need to decide if giving up all semblance of personal privacy is worth stopping some of that. I vote no enthusiastically. We just have to accept that some of that crime won't be stopped and law enforcement will have to work harder.
If our countries could stop doing things that give people a reason to commit terroristic acts, Maybe that would solve some of it and we could be more secure in our papers and possessions without unlawful interference and undue search and seizures but that’s apparently none of my business
The elite know what's coming. There isn't enough to keep economic growth going and sacrifices will have to be made, and that's not going to be the top. That means something is needed to detect and remove "problems" before they get big.
Growth only matters in capitalism
This isn't a new concept by any means. The argument of crime prevention has been used since governments existed to strip rights
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I deployed an open-source chat system at work, just for convenience. Boss was concerned that it didn't do any logging and we couldn't tell who said what.
"You don't have any records of what we say verbally. What's the difference?"
"...Oh. Well, you're right."
He was coming from a legit concern. We didn't point fingers when someone screwed up, zero blame, but we needed to know exactly what happened so we could fix it.
That they can is what has changed. They didn't have sufficient information to put pressure.
They still had microphones and inquiry drugs, including those causing memory loss. So they knew plenty of what people were saying to each other.
Anyway. Everything has changed a lot, not just technology, and one can't really make a chain of causation to all this. There are plenty of feedback loops.
The rules now are "we are stronger, so we are forbidding everything we don't want". Losing leverage does that.
Until you learn of some way to hit them back, such questions are no good, because not answering them doesn't cost anything.
I think its a mixture of lazy and inexperience.
I believe if someone in a position of authority who understands how vital E2EE is in order for the internet to work, this suggestion wouldn't even be on the table.
its a case of just kicking destroying E2EE down the road for another generation to deal with, I believe. not sure what the solution is, either
Said proudly by the hostile actors.
While casually performing hostile activity
Wow, the UK sounds like an awful place.
Ah its not so bad if you get so drunk your critical thinking skills go out the window.
I thought we were unique in this but frankly everywhere in the "western" world is talking about the same things. EU has chat control, Australia has similar efforts, USA aren't pushing for privacy at all so it's not a uniquely British problem.
It first starts with the "children" or the "bad actors/terrorists" and ends with a straight up fascist police state.
Honestly everywhere sounds like an awful place at this point. Freedom is a thing of the past. A thing from a time whence literally everything we did wasn't tracked, and in order to exist in society, you're expected to submit to the tracking.
Hey, did you use a secure encrypted connection to make that treasonous remark? I've got 999 on speed dial, I'm on to you, you encryption terrorist!
Folks, "1984" was supposed to be a warning. Not an instruction manual, with check off items.
What the fuck happened to the UK? Is Trump president there too?
The right wing fascism wave is a world trend my guy. This is just the start.
Meta happened. UK, US, all over the world there is a correlation between the adoption of Meta's products and the corrosion of basic human rights.
Pervasive surveillance is a hostile act. Abetting genocide and other crimes against humanity is a hostile act. Serving the rich at the expense of the poor is a hostile act.
What the heck is happening with Europe in general? I thought they were better in terms of maintaining individual privacy, damm.
That's europe, this is just UK. Brexit didn't work out in a lot of ways they planned
Boys... When it's considered a hostle act to demand rights, ownership, and privacy... We have a problem.
Well many governments see their citizens as hostile actors, so its not really a change, is it?
And i think committing and/or assisting in genocides is 'hostile activity'. One of us is definitely wrong :)
If you don’t want your citizens to be hostile, don’t make yourself an enemy.
Welcome to New East Germany.
There needs to be a watchdog for the watchdog, because this is totally unacceptable for a official to be this out of the loop on the technology they are watching over.
If they are a professional they should have some clue as to what is going on, but instead they're listening to their fascist pals.
Absolutely insanity.
Truly. This global push towards mass surveillance is extremely alarming.
I'm baffled that all this tracking nonsense is pushed through by a government that is supposed to be left of the tories. I guess that goes to show you that "center" parties can be just as evil as conservatives.
They aren't left. Starmer and chums undermined the left-wing leader of Labour. They're the pro-business wing of the party. New Labour folks were always dreadful for this sort of thing. Many authoritarian changes are coming from the centre, in UK, France, Denmark etc.
It all feels co-ordinated as states and their representatives squeeze down on working people.
Don’t y’all vote over there? Government isn’t us vs them. Government is us. Period.
PGP has been around since the 90's can you PLEASE shut the fuck up.
Like please.
Gosh, and these powers could be handed to Farage.
They could be complicit in what comes next.
These guys are so fucking stupid. Security and privacy goes both ways. Either for people to use or not. If you don't want encryption, fine, your online banking doesn't work anymore
Doesn't even RCS and iMessages use E2EE?
I think most messaging apps these days have it. Allegedly even Discord (calls only, not text chat) has it.
I think part of this is lawmakers not understanding the gravity of what they’re suggesting. Besides, most of these apps have some sort of backdoor built-in so they can decrypt messages if required in legal proceedings. Ripping E2EE out of everything is an insane assertion to make, and would make the Internet an even more dangerous place than it already is.
What the fuck happened to UK, I knew their average population was dumb when brexit happened but they doubled down on it?
People ran so hard from the Tories that they didn't consider Blue Labour would be dreadful also. Right now Labour and Tories are politically in danger and Reform and the Green Party are surging. Folk are fed up of parties not representing them. They just haven't fully cottoned on that that also applies to Reform. Greens are probably the main hope right now. Membership trebled to 180k. Polling close to Labour.
Let's be hostile together then
