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example, violence for entertainment. yes we've majorly turned against that which is good. child marriage, also good we got rid of that.
meat for food though, that is in our biology. our bodies need the nutrients that come from meat. we are biologically omnivores. yeah we can try to supplant that, but it's through an artificial means.
I'm all for it, but i don't think it's going to be frowned upon in the future and i don't think all humans can switch over to a plant based diet tomorrow. vegans are too much caught up in themselves to think of the practicality.
This is definitely false. You can live as a vegetarian (i.e. stop eating meat) without any supplemental nutrients.
If you wanna go vegan, you will need to supplement your diet with B12. That's the only nutrient that can't be found naturally in plant-based sources. TBH practically speaking, if you're in the west, you'll probably be fine nowadays, because most prefab vegan foods (incl. vegan milks) are enriched with B12.
I'm vegan, all I do is take a B12 pills weekly, and all my vitamin levels were fine last time I got a check. I could probably skip the pill if I went out to eat more, or bought more prefab food, but I mostly cook for myself and so don't get many B12-enriched foods.
Most humans live in cities nowadays, and all of those humans can easily switch to a plant-based diet within a couple of years (which would mostly be redirecting the supply chains for plant proteins from animal agriculture to humans directly). There are some edge-cases where people really do depend on animals (subsistence farming, hunter-gatherer societies, etc). We can deal with those later.
that's not true
Yes it is. Everything except B12 can either be found in some plant-based foods, or produced by your body. B12 is the only supplement you need.
you are spreading medical misinformation.
Yeah, I guess I'm not entirely accurate, because you can get some tiny amount of B12 from plant-based sources (e.g. nori). But it's probably not enough, so vegans should supplement it. The rest is probably fine unless you're blasting junk food every day.
I'm more concerned that you're asserting everything else is in plant based foods. it's not and you should stop lying to people before they hurt themselves.
I'm asserting it because it's true. I'm vegan for over 7 years now, the only supplements I take is B12 (and occasionally D), I'm in good health. I'm friends with a vegan of 20 years, the only supplements she takes is B12 and iron, and she's in good health. The science backs it up as well, plants contain almost everything we need to exist.
In order to be healthy, you have to make sure your diet is varied and contains the sources for all necessary nutrients, but then it's exactly the same for omnivores.
the opposite of anecdote is data. you are not a dietician. you should stop giving medical advice
Ok, name me a nutrient and I'll give you either a plant-based source of it or evidence that your body or gut biome produces it itself
And yeah, I agree, if you want to have a healthy diet you need to read up on dietology and/or visit a dietologist. But this has nothing to do with veganism, omnivores need to do it too.
Retinol, DHA/EPA, heme iron, creatine, carsonine, and carnitine all must be synthesized, and the precursors are not nearly as bioavailable animal based sources of the real deal
of course this conversation started with a statement that every nutrient is available from plant sources, which you've already moved the goal posts on. you're not here in good faith, you're here to be right.
and even "plant based" b12 from spirulina is biologically inactive in humans.
you shouldn't be giving dietary advice to strangers on the Internet