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[โ€“] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don't use it, you can't expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic. Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How many of those weapons are going to end up in Israel's hands?

[โ€“] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not a "strawman." I understand that most people on here don't want the weapons going to Israel, which is why I made the point. But the reality is that, once a weapon is built, it's in the hands of politicians to give to whoever they like. If those politicians are pro-Israel, then even if you want the weapons for the purpose of defense, there's a significant likelihood they'll be used to perform genocide.

[โ€“] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It absolutely is a strawman, no one mentioned Israel in the discussion before you, it is also not a reason to stop increasing defense spending right now that we need to defend against Russia.

[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fact that nobody mentioned Israel is the point. I stg. It isn't a "strawman" to point out possible unintended consequences of supporting a policy.

"I think I should jump off a tall building."

"Are you crazy? You'll die!"

"Wow, what a strawman. Nobody even said anything about dying. I don't support falling to my death, only the jumping."

[โ€“] stoy@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Congratulations, that is one of the stupidest arguments I have read.

[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Go learn what the word "strawman" means before you call anybody's arguments stupid lmao.

[โ€“] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Eh, my fault for expecting a decent argument with a .ml user.

[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Stop strawmanning me then.

[โ€“] JustJack23@slrpnk.net -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Well, you kinda need military power

First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

[โ€“] petrescatraian@libranet.de 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@JustJack23@slrpnk.net wrote:

Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military

You're right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn't all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you're a genius!

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago

military strength without having very big military see Switzerland

Switzerland has mandatory military service. If you include reserves, it has a bigger military than Germany, Poland, or the UK. Not per capita, just straight up more people. If you only include active personnel it's still comparable per capita to most European countries