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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Finally, someone debating me in a kind manner!

Our pets destroy our stuff or hurt other pets

There is probably a natural instict to it. Eg, if your rabbit chews the table leg, it was probably trying to sharpen it's teeth. If a dog attacks another pet, it probably felt threatened. It didn't do it for the sake of malice.

This doesn't address the issue

I think that's oversimplifying it a bit, sure they had knowledge that it was wrong to eat the fruit, just not about everything else, eg, nudity. They ate the fruit out of malice.

If you have something I'm not aware of

Genesis 3:17-19

And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

Romans 8:18-23

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

Essentially, sin cursed the earth. Natural disasters are a part of that.

Onto politics... (Although I don't think it's political to say such a thing is evil)

But the reasons poor nations are poor are very well understood and very well documented, and invoking "sin" is not necessary to explain it. They may lack resources to harvest, or lack the means of harvesting resources themselves, or have their resources stolen via what is basically slave labor by western capitalist countries. They may not be able to set up capital generating infrastructure due to the aforementioned resource deficit... They might be plagued by droughts, or wars, or have geography that makes trade difficult, or unstable/corrupt governments, or limited education, or any number of socioeconomic phenomena, all of which we can objectively measure and directly link to the state of impoverished areas.

This isn't an excuse. There are other parts of the world over brimming with fruit. Why do that part of the world not send their fruit over? And a lot of these poor countries do have natural resources, yet those in power keep the reaping for themselves while their citizens suffer. ie, "a diamond mine is still profitable with dying slaves". Overall, the state of many of these countries is due to greed. Which is sinful. The love of money is the root of all evil.

Historically and legally, LGBTQ folks have been marginalized because of abrahamic religions instilling prejudice against us into the biggest systems of societal power in the world. Not to mention the subsequent scapegoating against us by the governments spawned from said systems.

Marginalising and instilling prejudice against a group of people is sinful.

People of color.... Do I even need to explain that one? Sinning simply doesn't need to be invoked to explain or understand any of these things.

I'll assume what happened in the USA. Which yes, that very much was caused by sin. People bought their ancestors like property, then when they were "freed" (after a civil war!), they had their reparations taken away. Once again, greed. And then they were discriminated against purely for the colour of their skin until a few decades ago. Now they are marginalised due to their ancestors never being able to actually have a fair chance and pass wealth or opportunity onto their children at best. And at worst, these racist systems possibly even still exist. So that is a prime example of human suffering caused by sin - once again, those who thought they could own another human as property.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

There is probably a natural instict to it ...

I don't see how any of this supports or meaningfuly elaborates on your original claim.

Morality is still subjective, but we can choose to apply objective criteria to it. Animals can still infringe on human morality regardless of if we choose to hold them morally responsible.

sure they had knowledge that it was wrong to eat the fruit, just not about everything else, eg, nudity. They ate the fruit out of malice.

I don't recall anything in Genesis or the rest of the Bible that could possibly support this.

I'm fairly certain there isn't anything that supports this. You're simply claiming it's true, to which I can simply say it's not.

Genesis 3:17-19, Romans 8:18-23

These two texts, at best, support the idea that Adam's sin is the reason natural disasters happen and in my opinion, even that is a stretch. They do not suggest that our sins cause natural disasters.

Even if I grant you that point, you still don't need to invoke sin or the Bible to explain natural disasters. Hindus probably have their own etiological myth to explain natural disasters, but the existence of the myth doesn't prove their gods or religious concepts have anything to do with the natural disasters.

Plus, I found a passage that actually refutes this idea. Luke 13:1–5. Jesus explicitly says they are wrong to assume the 18 victim's sins had anything to do with the disaster they died from.

Overall, the state of many of these countries is due to greed. Which is sinful. The love of money is the root of all evil.

I don't disagree with that. The problem is that you're being unnecessarily vague to the point of being incorrect.

You chose to say "sin" rather than "greed". You chose a word that includes things like mockery, homosexual sex, and pride. This makes your claim imply those things cause people to be impoverished. And somehow start a hurricane.

This is why those far-right preachers I mentioned love to preach this rhetoric. Why else choose language that includes homosexual sex and cross dressing instead of "greed"?

People listening to you are likely to think you're probably a homophobe/transphobe. Hence them not giving you a chance, being hostile, and downvoting you.

Marginalising and instilling prejudice against a group of people is sinful.

I'm willing to grant you that because I don't feel like searching the Bible again. But at the end of the day, the Old Testament saying "crossdressing and homosexual sex is an abomination to the LORD your God"(paraphrased) is the root of the vast majority of the marginalization of queer people. Using the word "sin" here is still too vague.

The Old Testament codified these gender/sexual norms into law, religious institutions enforced these rules, and for the longest time in the western world, these rules were absorbed into our laws. And in a lot of the middle east they're still there.

I'm not suggesting that all Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc. are homophobes or transphobes or whatever. But the marginalization against us didn't come from nowhere. And it didn't come from a nebulous concept like "sin".

I'll assume what happened in the USA. Which yes, ...

Same story. Invoking sin here is too broad, and it sounds like you're saying traits like wrath, lust, greed, and sloth cause people to be marginalized and impoverished, which just just isn't accurate. It also makes your claim sound prejudiced.