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So, why should GNOME support server side decorations? (blister.zip)

submitted 1 week ago by Blisterexe@lemmy.zip to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/57302675

an article explaining why GNOME should support SSD, but also arguing against the reasons often given for why they shouldn't

If someone could repost this to r/GNOME I would appreciate it, since I don't have a reddit account.

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[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The whole notion of CSDs is a blueprint example of what happens when UI designers try to think things through too hard. They come up with grand solutions to trivial problems that are so poorly thought through that they create even bigger problems.

Realistically, nobody is going rewrite their entire application just because of what a tiny cabal of Gnome developers think. Just read this post that was linked elsewhere in this thread. At the end, Tobias is basically arguing that people should go out there and harass the developers of all Linux desktop applications (including the entire KDE project!) to follow through on this ridiculous idea:

Thus, our goal is for as many apps as possible to have the following properites [sic]

No title bar

Native-looking close/maximize/minimize icons

Respects the setting for showing/hiding minimize and maximize

Respects the setting for buttons to be on the left/right side of the window

Which apps are affected? Basically, all applications not using GTK3 (and a few that do use GTK3). That includes GTK2, Qt, and Electron apps.

If that alone doesn't alert people of how out-of-touch the Gnome developers are, then I don't know what would.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They justify the rejection of SSD because it isn't part of the core Wayland protocol and at the same time push client apps for the "minimize" and "maximize" buttons (along with respecting some settings) despite it also not being part of the core protocol and it being only possible through extensions. There's a ton of tiling compositors that don't even have any concept of minimize/maximize, so why should this be required of every client app?

It feels backwards to ask the app developers to be the ones adding the UI for whatever features the window compositor might decide to have. They might as well be asking all app developers to add a "fullscreen" button to the decoration, or a "sticky" button, or a "roll up"/"shade" button like many old school X11 WM used to have. This would lead to apps lagging behind in terms of what they have implemented support for and resulting in inconsistent UX, and at the same time limiting the flexibility and user customization of the decorations, not just in terms of visuals but also function and behavior.