It sounds more like you think you are entitled to have access to a library to begin with. Why should one exist that you can exploit in a way that your business wants rather than one that respects freedom—this is where I completely agree with the software freedom folks.

If you work for a private business that is earning profit, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect to pay for a library or build it yourself. Why should something else just exist for your business to exploit?

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're being obtuse. Obviously the point above is about the difficulty to actually include GPL libraries in your codebase, not the fact that the company is unwilling to give money. Ever looked at a node_modules folder?

[–] slappyfuck@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

That’s funny that you accused me of being obtuse and then immediately did so. Do you not understand what the “difficulty” of including GPL libraries means? Re-read their comment.

I’m not talking about an unwillingness to “give” money here. They’re treating a gratis library existing for them to include in the codebase as a foregone conclusion.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds more like you think you are entitled to have access to a library to begin with.

Could you point me to the part of my comment that led you to that conclusion?

[–] slappyfuck@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First of all, I want to be clear that I wasn’t trying to be harsh. But it’s just your entire comment. As soon as you say, “I was looking for a library,” you’ve already indicated that you feel entitled to find a library somewhere rather than build it yourself (or pay someone to do it for you).

Do you not understand how that comes across as entitled? Meaning you feel entitled to access a software library that exists with a license you can exploit. You’ll reject a GPL licensed library because it is copylefted and you know your management would never go for GPLing the entire work.

What I’m saying is that if you’re writing your own software with a private business, why do you expect there to just be some library you can use internally to exploit and not contribute back to the community?

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

As soon as you say, “I was looking for a library,” you’ve already indicated that you feel entitled to find a library somewhere rather than build it yourself

That interpretation is completely on you. Whenever one is writing code, it’s good practice to check if it hasn’t been written before. No-one needs to re-invent the wheel for the umpteenth time.

Do you not understand how that comes across as entitled?

No. This approach is literally taught at Uni. Don’t repeat work. That’s not only in programming. A chemist’s saying is “6 months in the lab can save you 2 hours in the library.” Blindly doing everything from scratch is just incredibly poor use of resources.

You’ll reject a GPL licensed library because it is copylefted and you know your management would never go for GPLing the entire work.

Yes. I don’t see how that’s a contentious point. I think I made my position clear in my last comment.

why do you expect there to just be some library you can use internally

That assumption is based on experience. The whole JavaScript ecosystem thrives on the idea of building stuff based on others’ work. It’s you, btw, that chose to interpret ‘looking for’ as ‘expecting to exist’. I never said that, nor did I mean it.