[a character looks sad in front of a sad city, under the sunset]
Things aren't looking great…
It sucks when the state kills people
Wish we could do something about it
[the character is now in front of their TV, showing ICE agents surrounding a bleeding corpse on the floor]
Wait… this time they killed WHITE people
This means it could happen to me too?!
[an angry crowd is demonstrating, holding various signs such as…]
THIS TIME YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR
I DRAW THE LINE HERE
TOLERATE NO MORE
2025-31-12, Keith Porter, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-09-12, Silverio Villegas González, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-07-28, Jaime Alanis Garcia, shot and killed by ICE agents
27 shootings by ICE in 2025,
8 of which were lethal
31 deaths in ICE custody in 2025
11 deaths in ICE custody in 2024
7 deaths in ICE custody in 2023
3 deaths in ICE custody in 2022
5 deaths in ICE custody in 2021
18 deaths in ICE custody in 2020
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2019
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2028
It's never been covered up.
This has always been very public knowledge, with which the US population was complacent.
Biden was not primary'd out despite having a role in this, proving that even progressives were fine with it.
Trump was reelected despite knowledge that he would make the situation worse, proving a lot of the US population loves this.
Liberals only started caring about the death camp police once they started shooting people in public, and are now feeling rightfully afraid since ICE is ok killing whites too now. I fear that the ongoing movement is going to be a defensive one, do a bit of defund ICE roleplay, stop when ICE says ok we're not shooting people on the streets anymore you win, and be fine with that conclusion. A complete dismantling and prosecution of ICE, including a liberation of all the migrants in the camps (especially the thousands "lost" by the system) is the only way forward otherwise the death toll will keep getting worse - 2026 is already the worst year on record in that regard and we're still in january.
Insert the MLK quote on white liberals being worse enemies to minorities than the KKK. Don't care much about this thread's feelings by now since they've demonstrated they only care how the situation affects their own feelings, instead of seeing that there is a bigger picture of a social justice fight for migrants being potentially derailed by liberals who are only looking for justice for themselves. I would hate to be the "told you so" person in a while after this whole thing fizzles out and nothing changes, praying time proves me wrong.
Ok I don't think that is fair to be mad at people who didn't get mad about something they haven't heard about. Like, my cat died a month ago, and you didn't say anything, fuck you.
I'm sure some people didn't care because fuck brown people or whatever, but I think most people care now because they are actually hearing about it, maybe for the first time.
Information doesn't reach people equally. The media is complicit for underrepresenting this issue, makes sense some people haven't heard about it yet. And the USA's racist culture of treating migrants like worthless cattle is guilty of making these stories sell less when the media actually tries to talk about them.
This is about people who were aware of the situation and dismissed, minimized, ignored it. Which is a lot of people. People I've been having interactions with for the past decade. It isn't about you. But there's still a lesson to be learned here: how come it hasn't reached you, and what can we change on a structural level to make sure this reaches people widely when it inevitably happens again. There's an actual conversation to be had, and the topic isn't guilt, it's stopping the death machine.
Being dismissive, feeling personally guilty, etc. is how you make sure nothing changes, and guarantees people will keep dying in those camps for decades to come because you and most of the other people in this thread were too busy making this all about yourselves instead of discussing the actual racial bias issues at hand.
Condolences regarding your cat. I know how it feels. Can be as bad as losing a close human. Been there multiple times throughout my life and it never gets better. Got three cats right now and I regularly wake up from nightmares in which I dream they died, you have my full empathy on this topic. I hope you're handling the grief well, if not therapy genuinely helps. Now that this is out of the way, stop throwing yourself as a shield in the way of people who are refusing to confront their racial bias. They don't need any protection, and you don't need to be offering them more excuses.
Sorry (not sorry) about lashing out but I'm getting genuinely pissed at this never ending influx of replies three days in. So many egotistical comments from losers jerking each other off all over the place. Done being polite, the fediverse has a gigantic fragility issue regarding race and masculinity, and I won't stop posting content that addresses both, won't stop replying to people trying to minimize those issues, and won't stop shutting up people who derail conversations by making them about themselves.
The group I volunteer for is trying to solve the problem you're talking about, educating people on stuff that happens South of the border and everything that most Americans haven't heard about. We're really well informed and keep up to date, but it's hard to know every name of every person the government has been murdering, because frankly, that's a lot of info. Not even just emotionally, it's just too much to grasp. It's too much to report on, and even if there was a news segment over every one of them, it would be a constant drone that eventually you wouldn't hear anymore.
Because of this though I've seen a lot of conservatives trying to pull a "gotcha" and say "well you didn't care about these people so obviously you're fake!"
Idk. Just thought it might be better to like, encourage people to learn more than shaming them for ignorance.
Thanks for the condolences on my cat, keep checking their kidneys when they are older.
I honestly don't think of a President as more than a figurehead.
They might end up showing different things depending upon the party in power, but what goes on underneath, stays the same.
My main problem with this is, in 2018, customs were memed to be those that steal stuff on airport checkpoints and none of the above reached me.
Are they a separate governmental unit from ICE?
The abolish ICE movement is not new, it already existed throughout the first Trump presidency. It mostly stopped during the Biden presidency since he showed good will by reversing the most abusive of Trump's policies right away (proving he wasn't a mere figurehead and had the power to provide change), but the core rot of border patrol prison camps and treating migrants like cattle never stopped.
Yet his primaries were the best opportunity to send a clear signal that progressives were fed up with his inwards dehumanizing policies and his outwards genocidal policies. Not many seemed to care as he had no real opposition. At some point people have to take responsibility for being complacent, and instead of feeling fragile about it or personally attacked by it (this whole thread), understanding that this is about learning from the past, and figuring out what to do in order for this to never happen again in the future.
People knew extremely well what ICE was and did, since after Trump won a common "joke" on social media was threats to call ICE on the latinos or arabs that voted for Trump. I remember seeing many of those, and being disgusted at how some progressives will only support minorities as long as they support them, and treated ICE as a joke despite the murders still going on.
I guess I just didn't check out enough media avenues to catch those back then.
Perhaps the same as what's going on now with a lot of other people who are unrelated enough, with the incidents.
yeah. i've been attending abolish ice movement meetings since 2009. this isn't a new movement, it's just become something that's become so visible it can't be unseen at all. it's like how the Black Lives Matter movement was founded in 2013 but people think of it as starting in 2020.
too many people view things as starting when they find out about them, and too many people are too hard on people for genuinely not knowing something was going on. we have a horrifying torment machine that's killing us all and if we lose control of what the truth is we might be fucked for an extraordinarily long time.
so do tell people these things are going on and have been going on for a long time. tell people where you learned about this and where they can find out more. don't be a scold. don't tolerate anyone who flat out denies the opportunity to educate themselves or be educated.
we don't have time to relitigate the 2020 primaries to figure out which of the progressive voices was the one progressives should have rallied around to avoid the neoliberal wing continuing to control the dnc, but we do have to learn our lessons of how the vote was split handing biden the election, despite the fact he was bascially everyone's 4th choice out of 16. and most of all, we need ranked choice ballots so people can truly cast votes that matter instead of letting the machinery of the party continue the illusion of choice.
To be fair, media underreporting the suffering of minorities is part of the equation.