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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Von Falkenheyn

von Falkenhausen? Falkenhayn's a WW1 guy. And I don't think he can be said to have led the defense, he was a military advisor, but there were still actual Chinese generals in charge. Germany's relationship with China also cannot really be likened to that of the US/NATO with Ukraine either, the scale of support and geopolitical interests are wholly different (and I don't think the West can be said to have "led" the defense if Ukraine either, they may have had some influence on planning things like the 2023 offensive and various special ops, but after the disastrous outcomes of those they've lost a lot of their cachet, which is why there were a bunch of op-eds afterwards complaining about the Ukrainians being too Soviet-minded to follow "superior" Western doctrine properly, and from the Ukrainian side ones complaining about how much Western training sucks and doesn't actually prepare them for modern war).

I'm not sure if I'm missing some sarcasm here, but the Battle of Shanghai involved seventy Chinese divisions, and I don't think a numerical substitution in an alphabet the Chinese don't even use was of any particular symbolical significance to them. I don't think the 88th was destroyed either, they were severely damaged after the subsequent Battle of Nanking, but they still remained around until the end of the war.