In a discussion with progressive libs talking about all the virtues of being a democrat supporter and being opposed to fascism and the current state of affairs with ICE and I reply by telling them that the dems have supported ICE at every turn and they have taken every opportunity to increase their funding so how is that leaning away from fascism by their own reasoning? I also said that if a Nazi promised to do 50% less holocaust, would that also qualify as leaning away from fascism (which is incredibly charitable given that the democrats absolutely do not even come close to reducing their support for ICE to 50% of the GOP.)
Someone replies with "they managed to do it with a lot less shooting of people and a lot less assaulting of people unwarranted". (Apparently assaulting people is cool if you have a warrant??)
I tell them exactly what you'd expect. "So you're not opposed to fascism as long as it minimizes shootings and ICE only assaults people when they have a warrant?"
Look at this reply of theirs:
Respect. Proceduralism. Fascism is cool with me if it's a few notches below the current fever-pitch level. Even though the dems have been willing collaborators in walking this path every step of the way, it's pretty silly to both sides the issue (no I will not elaborate). There are only two options: ICE and open borders.
...this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that progressives are worse to deal with than conservatives. I know that there's this trope about MAGA supporters being brainwashed and it's not untrue but if anyone can explain to me how you can call yourself antifascist and "pretty heavily anti-ICE" while defending the party that increases ICE funding every time they get into power then I'd love to hear it because as far as I can tell if you're acting like ICE has always existed, that it's a necessity, and that you're opposed to ICE while defending it and defending your support of the party that throws its full weight behind ICE then how is that not being so deep in the trashcan of ideology that your roommate is Oscar the Grouch?
Wtf is this person referring to with "open borders like the EU"? Never heard of Frontex? Never seen pictures of the drowned children on the shores of the mediterranean?
They mean open borders between what they perceive as white and culturally harmonious states through schengen. Unlike Mexico and the US which is according to them barbarism vs civilisation.
The borders have only ever been "open" for the bougies and petty bougies though. The border system within the EU is such horrific bs that it's hard to describe.
And personally don't know anyone who has been able to cross a border without passport checks (supposedly those aren't needed, in reality they are) and if you are a migrant within this system without papers you get incarcerated into the country you are in with literally no rights and no way to get out.
You are right. It’s an extremely racist system not dissimilar to the US and in some ways maybe worse.