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Lin Manuel Miranda is way to woke and lib (also, brown) for those kinds of people. They, the racists, say Eminem beats black rappers at their own game.
"white people who are afraid of black hiphop" is a broader umbrella than the archetype that you seem to have in mind and 1000% includes many people whose favorite "rapper" is LMM.
LetterLiker might also be a millennial who grew up in the time when Eminem was the poster boy for that type of person. “I like Eminem because he doesn’t rap about bitches and money. He raps about life,” was what every white Eminem fan said back in the day
this is correct. Time has probably passed me by AND purpleworm's point is a good one BUT I maintain that Em holds a higher post in the Cracker Music Pantheon than Lin-Manuel Miranda.
the thing is, miranda was putting on private performances for the obamas back in the day. i think eminem's niche in the white rap industrial complex is stuck firmly between hamilton lovers and tom mcdonald lovers.
I will fully grant that Em is not as culturally relevant as his heyday (20 years ago) but, to me, he is the Godfather (or Patron Saint) of The White Rap Industrial Complex. No, he was not the first white rapper but he was the first white rapper to be "one of the best rappers" and a lot of white rap fans really held on to that.
Before Eminem came around the biggest white rapper was Vanilla Ice! A total joke!
eminem is the only one of the people in this discussion who has talent; that is true. maybe post malone too, somewhat. maybe that's why i don't associate either one of them as much with the white rap industrial complex. idk i think the only reason to listen to lin-manuel miranda or tom macdonald is for their politics. i certainly wouldn't for their music.
People still say that now and it's a real type of person, but my point is that the given description applies to more people than just that.
I know and I understood your point. I was just saying that the OP probably isn’t as tapped in and was culturally trapped in that era where Eminem was the only person that applied to for the majority of people.
The fact that it can be applied to multiple people shows how much things have changed. Would Post Malone fit in that category too?
Some people like Post Malone. I can't imagine there being a critical mass of people who say Posty is their favorite artist.
I also thinks Posty appeals more to people who want to like black culture (but don't really) than people who don't like black culture (but think they own it) than Eminem and LMM.
I'm not sure tbh
This is a good point! I was not accounting for those people.
With those people I would argue that LMM isn't a "rapper"; he's a poet, playwright, composer but he doesn't make his career off of releasing rap albums. The way a rapper would do. And if they argued that I'd just shrug my shoulders and give em a thumbs up and move on with my day.
Well, let me rephrase that there are a lot of people who would identify him as easily their favorite "artist who produced raps" even if we're saying that's not necessarily a "rapper," but the fact that it distinctly is rap in some sense is a huge part of the appeal, even though the "appeal" in question heavily leans on treating rap as a novelty that is only an art in-and-of-itself insofar as you can do lyrical miracle bullshit with it. Basically I'm saying LMM is like if Lil Dicky did slavery apologia.
Edit: And some of this legacy from Hamilton is pretty enduring, like for example being responsible for the worst parts of Epic (not bad overall, to be clear, but it's got some really bad parts).
I don't know much about hip hop, but it's crazy how much someone who doesn't know anything about rap thinks lyrical miracle kind of rappers are the only cool ones.
MF Doom is better than Eminem at that shit anyway
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Floors me every time, tbh