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[–] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml -4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You’re asking for a formal, step-by-step evidentiary case. I’m offering a high-level critique of a rhetorical pattern. Those are different kinds of claims, and neither is illegitimate.

I’m not “declaring victory,” I’m describing how his style reads to a lot of leftists: moral preloading, reframing, and condemnation first, engagement second. That’s an interpretive claim, not a syllogism, and it doesn’t require me to footnote every instance to exist.

You’re right that if this were a debate, I’d need to walk through examples. But this isn’t a debate, it’s a comment thread. I’m explaining why many people react to him the way they do, not trying to prove a theorem.

If you don’t recognize that pattern, that’s fine. We just have different readings of the same content. But saying “there is no substance” because it isn’t presented in your preferred format is just another way of refusing to engage with the claim itself.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 1 points 54 minutes ago

The problem here is that you provide no actual proof of something you claim Hasan "always does", then go on to claim "it's too much work" for you to cite your evidence, instead we should take on that work because it's on us to educate ourselves.

TBH, this is the same shit antivaxxers try to pull.

Put up or shut up, what you are saying is not true and you have no evidence to back it up. You got got by the clipfarm industry.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Holy shit. It's exhausting trying to talk to someone that just refuses to actually explain their opinion beyond the vague criticisms they started with. Like, I can't ask why you think those things? That's literally all I'm trying to get out of you and you refuse. If you didn't want to do that then don't reply. My initial point still stands. No substance. You've literally spent the last few comments avoiding giving any reason or example for why you have these criticisms in the first place.

Why? Why is that so hard to do?