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And I'm honestly sorry that people are blaming & attacking you and various other Hexbear users for no tangible reason.
I'm surprised people have forgotten already about the attacks against lemmy.world, assumedly executed by a disgruntled ex-moderator long before we ever knew Hexbear existed.
Instead people are jumping to "OhH it's ThE HexBeArS" when they have not been able to freely browse HB discussions or even talk with you, they're just shown the worst take from a minority (although tbf HB does the same on c/cth, so it's kinda funny seeing both sides with one not realising the other is also just a human too, just with differing culture and political stance)
Edit: replaced "guys" with a more neutral term
Thankfully I haven't seen the takes accusing HB of the recent attacks, though being accused of the attacks on .world was a little annoying. I appreciate the solidarity.
I genuinely have no idea where this recent attack is coming from. The most fried part of my brain says "One of the big companies trying to absorb the fediverse is doing this to undermine their competition," but I have zero evidence, it's just the only motive I can even think of beyond it being a rogue crank.
It's totally conceivable that HB people would spam an instance they don't like -- though this would be against the wishes of the mods and admins -- but our site culture is completely antithetical to spamming CSAM and things like that, so I don't think even a rogue group of users would do it "on our behalf".
Oh, I just realized it could be one of those fash instances like exploding heads. If any were defeded relatively recently, that would make sense.
I don't think I have much to contribute to the "both sides" thing that is useful, but I'm going to talk anyway because I'm thinking about it now.
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I think if you asked a hexbear user to seriously answer how representative those screenshots are of lemm.ee, they'd probably say that lemm.ee is much more ideologically disjointed on a handful of issues, especially regarding history and geopolitics, and the screenshots are only representative of some of the more annoying tendencies among the neoliberals and poorly-educated "anarchists" (like that dude who decried "tankies" and used Sankara as a counterexample, when we all like Sankara). I also think they would be correct in saying this. I don't know what the anti-HB people who don't comment on our instance think, I hardly ever see it, but I can at least tell you that we know much more about neoliberal ideology than they do ML, because we almost all started out as de facto neoliberals and nearly none of them have even a basic understanding of ML theory (which is not really their fault, to be clear).Anyone on any instance federated with hexbear is welcome to post questions to c/askchapo. If they are relatively polite and not presumptuous, we'll be happy to answer. If people are still mean, report it. You can let me know and I will personally nag the mods to address the matter properly. Just recently we had a thread from a .ml user who wanted us to state our opinion on Trump for the record for the hundredth time, so about a hundred users chimed in that they all hate his guts (I also made a comment to that effect). We're happy to discuss things openly and it would be good for us to improve community relations to avoid things like one group accusing the other of doing something as heinous as what the OP describes.
To be fair, some of the rhetoric you all use makes your political compass difficult to navigate.
As I said, the question is welcome no matter how tedious I might personally find it, just like any question asked in good faith.
Complete aside: polcomp is a bad way of attempting to understand politics. It has no way of understanding Marxism.
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Anyone that uses this to navigate politics is themselves politically illiterate.
Ahhh yes, someone who cannot read between the lines to understand the true meaning. Thank you for this wonderful example.
"I'm scared of having my political illiteracy exposed and dunked on so I only ever write intentionally vague responses."
I felt it was pretty understandable. We can have a nice conversation, or we can stop. Up to you.
Say something that isn't vague and useless then.
Kill the rich.
Which ones? There are plenty of rich working class people that I consider comrades. The issue we socialists have isn't income, the issue is class, which is quite different.
Your class is determined not by your income but by how you receive your income. A working class person makes their income by selling their labour to a member of the bourgeoisie (capital-owner), whereas a member of the bourgeoisie makes their income by stealing the surplus labour from a member of the working class.
There are working class people that can make quite a bit of money. Athletes and actors for example. Although in many cases once people make that kind of money they also become members of the bourgeoisie by investing it in passive income such as landlording or stocks, that is not true of all of them and is very much something that should not be assumed.
As for killing the bourgeoisie, I am in favour of simply phasing them out. Although I am not naive enough to think that they will just allow that to happen without trying to kill every last one of us first to prevent it, and believe in the need for us to be prepared for violent action when they do turn to that option. It is not an act that I think should be advocated for by itself, other than with some hefty layers of irony as a means of generally promoting militancy.
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Do consider a person with $500,000,000 USD to be a comrade?
There is a certain level of worth that is unobtainable without being a horrible human.
It depends entirely upon how it is obtained.
Generally you are correct that a certain level of worth is unobtainable without being a horrible human but not always. As I said, there are many athletes who are working class despite earning many tens of millions.
I very much consider Muhammed Ali a revolutionary comrade for example.
Then there is Maradona. An incredible comrade who has Fidel Castro's face tattoo'd to his leg and Che's on his arm. Who did incredibly important work for socialism in latin america.
You should focus less on their total income and more on how it is made. Class is what matters, and while class generally forms along the lines of rich vs poor this is a reductive simplification of marxist thought.
I mean... Herrenknecht has a revenue of roughly 1.2bn Euro, value is estimated at 800mn. Sure he hired tons of people and he's conservative, but Martin Herrenknecht legitimately built that thing, both the engineering and business side and seems well-liked enough by his employees.
And if we wants to drive a Porsche and live in a mansion I'd say fucking go for it. Now, OTOH, inheriting that kind of thing... Herrenknecht Junior practically grew up in the company and is a natural candidate for leadership, the company is now owned by a family foundation and there's where my issues start: We'll have a dynasty, profit gets siphoned off and paid out to the family. Would've much rather see them go the way of Bosch or Zeiss which are actual foundations, similar setup to e.g. Mozilla.
Its really not complicated.
Just communist/anarchist/far more left than normal western discourse with a large amount of cynicism.
Yeah, it's kind of weird. Doesn't whatever gets posted eventually get sent over to the other federated servers? Like every server saves a copy? Like the dumbest attack on another server would be this.