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Good.
Some of us live here.
I do, too. But I don't see any other way out. Everyone faces the music and it goes one of two ways, and I'm honestly not confident it'll go the good way get, unfortunately.
Let me put this as delicately as I can… ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND??
We had a civil war. It cost the United States 10% of its total population. If we have a repeat of that, kiss 35 MILLION of your friends and neighbors goodbye, because they're fucking dead.
But we don't have nice neat battle lines and territory back and forth like we did back then. It isn't gonna look like Gettysburg. It's gonna look like Somalia. Power and sometimes water, and certainly trucks and trains that deliver the stuff people like you and me need to live pass through red districts. They're gonna turn off the utilities. They're going to block the trucks and trains. We in turn are going to break the lines of communications. The We's and the They's are gonna all arm up in whatever tactical gear we can get our hands on like those ICE fuckers are wearing now, and we're gonna patrol our borders in our isolated little pockets for anyone trying to cross who don't belong. People will get through, saboteurs, raids…
I'd say we're lucky if we lose only 120 million or so people. It's gonna be a lot more of us than it will be of them, I promise you. But ultimately it's not going to matter because there's gonna be a lot of starving and dying and killing, if things go the way you want. And the two sides will probably wind up with roughly equal numbers fighting over the scraps of America for a decade or longer.
This by you is "good"? I hope you deposit a reality check and pretty damned quick, because we need to stop this shit before we get there, if we can. I don't know if we can, honestly, but we really need to fucking try.
Everything you said is correct, and yet we still come to a different conclusion.
We're going to lose 120M+ if we do nothing. And we'll lose 120M+ if we act.
The issue is the former let's them win.
You yourself said, "if we can". You yourself said "I don't know if we can". The difference is that I've accepted we can't and we can't.
More and more I believe we can and we will. Trump is getting more and more erratic and desperate. Things are falling apart for him. The question now is how many people die before it happens. I think it'll be less than 120M more than if we do it your way. I think the odds of a less bad outcome are higher with my conclusion by a lot. And has a less risky outcome.
What doesn't exist at this point is a "good" outcome. That shim sailed November 2024. People are already dying. A lot of them. We'll eventually find out how many the concentration camps have killed. No good outcome.