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The white supremacist violence that took place in Jacksonville this past weekend has me doing some research.
The source of this quote is here, from another incident in Florida:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/attempted-homicide-richard-spencer-speech-gainesville-florida_n_59ea766ae4b0958c468228ff
Does anyone have any ideas how to make improvements in the sorry state of white America? I say this as a white man. All the solutions I conceive are complicated and far fetched — like developing communities based on love and respect not money and subjugation.
I would suggest not starting with the premise that the problem is "White America." These folks don't speak for White people, not even remotely, and buying into that falsehood is exactly what they want.
I'm not going to say it any better than MLK, so I'll just leave the link here.
White America is the problem. Sure, moderate white Americans are so much less terrible than outright racists, but a complacent majority that is happy to reap the benefits of an unjust system, simply because it is the comfortable path, is one of the major reasons why it's so hard to make movement against those racists.
Labeling an entire group of people “the problem,” based on a superficial demographic trait is prejudiced and unhelpful. You often alienate the very people you want help from. Rather than using a superficial trait that has nothing inherently to do with the problem, target the problem itself: the problematic ideology.
I don’t care to debate this, tbh. If you really think white people are the problem you’re just being racist too, and I have no patience for that.
You're absolutely right, I'm sorry. Let me try that again without mentioning race, in a discussion about race inequality.
Now, let me check my notes on who benefits from an injust system of racism in America...
"white America" is another description for white supremacy in the US. What you're recommending is to dismantle systems of oppression without dismantling white supremacy. I hope you can see how that's a problem without me explaining it.
Then say the problem is White supremacy. Saying the problem is White America sounds far too much like saying the problem is White Americans, especially to someone who's not educated on racial issues in the same way you are.
Let's go back to that MLK quote then.
Uh... do you wanna elaborate on what you mean there? Because what I'm inferring seems kinda bad and I don't wanna put words in your mouth.
Only among people who desperately need to touch grass
You’re apparently under the delusion that all White Americans are White supremacists, which—as I said to the other respondent—simply means you’re racist.
I’m always amazed anti-White racists can’t work out they’re making the same mistakes every other racist is making. You’ve actually deluded yourselves into thinking you can’t be racist against White people. How you fail to grasp such a simple concept as judging an entire group of people based on their skin color, while simultaneously claiming you understand it better than anyone else is beyond me.
You can't be racist again white people because they are the majority. You can be prejudiced sure, but racism doesn't work that way. White people literally rule the world, so call them racist if you like, but they still have all the power.
That's just your way of justifying your racism against Whites. It allows you to create double standards for behavior based on skin color, which you've just demonstrated. I don't have time to debate racism with racists, so I won't be responding further.
I think using that MLK quote should be considered a form of Godwin's Law at this point
Can you do me a favor and scroll back to the top of the thread and remember how the conversation started? Invoking Godwin's here about MLK isn't really the point you think it is.
Invoking the same MLK quote that's been making the rounds recently isn't the win you think it is.