this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2026
112 points (95.9% liked)

Fuck Cars

14843 readers
1027 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] udon@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, there are so many particularities in each place, it's just too simplistic to discard them. What does the existing infrastructure look like and how can we use it best? How expensive would it be to install a different system, where does the money come from, and what else can the city not afford for that?

Another interesting case would be Kyoto, which relies mostly on buses although there are some train routes. But when they built their subways, there were a lot of construction delays because workers found ancient objects, had to call some archaeologists etc. So the city gave up after only 2 lines. Above-ground trains are also relatively rare although they exist. But you would have the same issue, existing buildings and cultural heritage.

It's just a complex issue. Both can be totally viable solutions, depending on context and implementation. My point is that it's kind of dumb to start raging against buses now as we have different issues.

[–] stephen01king@piefed.zip 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Who is raging against buses, though? As you said, there are circumstances where its not practical to have both, but that still doesn't make bus only network better than having a mixed network. We're speaking relatively here, not in absolutes. When I say one is better, it doesn't mean the other is bad.

[–] udon@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Who is raging against buses, though?

The post/OP did, that's why I commented so you commented so I commented so you commented so I commented so you commented and here I am, commenting