When people say ACAB it means that because they are tools of the capitalist elite they cannot definitionally be anything other than bastards who are ignorant of class consciousness or are willing participants in their own abuse at the hands of capitalists using them because it gives them some kind of proxy power.

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 0 points 1 day ago

A tankie who has conveniently forgotten the Stasi. What a surprise.

[–] YeahToast@aussie.zone -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's an interesting take and one I categorically disagree with.. but heck share some more. Can you explain what exactly a police officer does to ensure there is not a power shift ? How do you think the proletariat class does not have awareness that they are a lowest class worker who is trading their time for profit? What does a police officer do day to day to impact this, seeing as your sentiment is police incidentally help sometimes from this I take you mean a majority of police work is for capitalism. I would have thought if there was such a strong focus on protecting capitalism, they would for example be strongly enforcing illegal tobacco, they are not. Most protests that I am aware of are generally around environment, human rights. I haven't seen a protest around proletariat low SES rights, why do you think that is? Keen for your thoughts

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Can you explain what exactly a police officer does to ensure there is not a power shift?

To be clear I’m talking about the structure of the police. If you’re asking me what individual officers do day to day to maintain power structures I’d point to any example of racial profiling, use of force, selective enforcement and the concept of property protection.
I ask you, who benefits the most from tax payer funded security for private property protection?

How do you think the proletariat class does not have awareness that they are a lowest class worker who is trading their time for profit?

This is reasonably self evident through the rise in right wing political parties who are voted for by people against their own self interest and who advocate for the externalisation of the problems with capitalism by blaming a subset of the proletariat, ie migrants.
How do you explain the rise in inequality and decline in living standards if not for the failure of our current economic system?

What does a police officer do day to day to impact this, seeing as your sentiment is police incidentallyhelp sometimes from this I take you mean a majority of police work is for capitalism.

Yes, police are tools of capitalism.

I would have thought if there was such a strong focus on protecting capitalism, they would for example be strongly enforcing illegal tobacco, they are not.

I think you’re conflating capitalism with commerce or the economy. Protecting capitalist interest does not entail protecting markets it’s instead ensuring the power of society is maintained by those with capital. A specific example would be the lack of consequences for those people involved with Epstein.
How do you explain those lack of consequences if capital does not equate to power and police are beholden to those interests?

Most protests that I am aware of are generally around environment, human rights. I haven't seen a protest around proletariat low SES rights, why do you think that is?

The fundamental cause of human rights breaches and environmental destruction is capitalism so there is a strong argument to be made they are one and the same. However if you reject that, I would ask whether you’ve never heard of a protest for workers rights? Were you alive during the Occupy Wall Street protests?
Finally, ca you conceive of a world without police forces in their current form?

[–] Seagoon_@aussie.zone -2 points 21 hours ago

Then why are there police forces in Communist countries? What was their purpose there?