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The only REAL replacement I'm still looking for is YouTube. Sure, Peertube and proxy sites for YouTube exist. But the amount of content I am interested in is by dozens of decimals larger an YouTube than on any other alternative combined.
And, yes, of course, the search engine.
I'm hoping that as the fediverse grows it will start to accrue enough capacity to sustain a strong video hosting platform like peertube.
Social media has a network effect where the more people use it the more attractive it gets, and because the fediverse can interconnect between different formats I see it as inevitable that eventually it will take over, because it can manage a much more comprehensive network than any centralised site.
Once it becomes more mainstream, server capacity should increase until it can handle the world's video sharing as well.
I'm still skeptical whether the fediverse will get as big as the current social media now. We already had a big problem with the recent CSAM spamming by trolls.
Not to say it's a bad thing. I think having a contraction of social media is better for our mental health because it fosters a better sense of community. Like when you live in a smallish town vs living in a big city. Each has its own drawbacks. But with the loneliness epidemic we're experiencing right now, it's better to have something that we can use to feel like we belong to something.
Maybe it's not like that for everyone. I'm a person who's always valued quality over quantity interactions. I kept my social circles small but I kept in touch with everyone. Especially now with the abundance of tools, like Discord. Even after having my own family I still show up at the Discord call with my friends after the kids are all asleep just to check in with my friends.
Yes the CSAM attack is a problem, but there are already tools to automatically flag potential CSAM, we just need to integrate them. Unfortunately social media is a natural monopoly, and there are corporate entities that currently make up that monopoly, and that is causing a lot of social problems. The only way to combat those problems is to create something that displaces those monopolies.
Like facebook released a report that compared different personal feeds, one that creates an algorithmically generated mix of all the crap that facebook currently shows you and selectively ignores friend updates, versus one that just gives you just your friends' updates.
They found people stayed on the site longer with the algorithmic feed than the simple friends feed, and they inperpreted that as meaning people like the algorithm better. Of course they ignored the fact that maybe people like seeing the updates they asked for and then getting on with the rest of their day because they are sated.
Facebook doesn't care about that, they want retention, so they interpret retention as user "desire" to justify pushing this algorithm on them. There's a whole spiel here about how capitalism operates on addiction but this comment is long enough already.
It's enough to say that these algorithms contributed to a genocide in Myanmar because facebook established themselves as the de facto internet in that country. They knew the algorithm was exacerbating racial tensions, but also turning down the genocide dial would make them less money, so they kept it turned up.
I think it's worth creating an alternative where people have control of their own feeds because the algorithms are open source, and it's worth working hard on. The information ecosystem is maybe one of the most important things we need to fight things like climate change. Like the stakes are more than just our personal comfort.
Did you use reddit 10 years ago or longer? The Fediverse is already significantly more stable and a better user experience in comparison.
Odysee seems to be doing relatively well. Probably 20-30% of the YouTubers I watch are also on there.
I legit didn't know about this service, looks cool, but I don't fully understand how it works.
I hope alternatives to youtube like Nebula and peertube find their footing, but I can't help but suspect that youtube has and will continue to find the successful path in this social media era. I'm not a youtuber or anything, so I don't really know any details about how it works, but the way they seem provide a platform with monetisation and brand building possibilities built in seems pretty effective/pragmatic for a platform that needs to find someway to work within capitalism.
Just use duck duck go. Its better in all regards.
I wish it was true. My strategy is to use ddg in first try to find something and switch to google when ddg ducks in wrong way. Currently google is better in images and searching for "this particular site" instead of answer on any site
I truly wish this was true. But for work, everything I search on ddg is just not useful
I tried DDG many times for work. Often I don’t find the result I want at all. I try different queries and all, but I only find barely relevant shit. I switch to Google, and immediately the top result is exactly what I want.
Exactly the opposite for me
Try Nebula! It's a bunch of YouTube creators who got together to make their own platform for video content. The price is quite reasonable and the videos are the same you would see on YouTube but often a few days early and with the sponsorship ads removed.
I use nebula more than youtube now tbh, only reason I hop on YouTube is to watch people that aren't on Nebula
Nebula is excellent! If you have more money, you can try Floatplane too.
I would rather not support Linus.
StartPage is a good engine if you want cleaned up Google results. But I highly recommend subscribing to Kagi.
Seriously. I hate the censorship going on on youtube.
Duck Duck Go has been nothing but great since I switched a few months ago. It's like Google from 10 years ago.
If I need to find really obscure stuff Google is still better.