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I agree with this, even though milk doesn’t exclusively mean dairy. A milk is the result of the process of milking, where a liquid is excreted from a host, like an animal or plant. Oat milk is oats in suspension; the oat does not remain after it has been milked like an animal or flower. I think technically I’d call it a slurry, but I’m ready for a neologism if anyone has one.
Almond milk has been called 'milk' since it was first written about in the 13th century.
There is no logical reason people need the distinction made clearer 800 years later.
People kinda forgot that medieval people couldnt just constantly rely on the lactate-carnist duploly and had several alternatives now considered "trendy" "chemical" products.
How many writers described her skin as milky white? Burn the books!
You don’t think anything at all changed experientially when almond milk was first brought to market in 1998?
What do you think changed?
From my perspective, people made this and used this in their own homes. It was in cookbooks. Being able to buy it in a store doesn't change the context of 800+ years of history.
For me, home production for personal use is different than commercial production because you don’t see the product under production. When you take something to market, the consumer no longer has any relation to the production process — they never looked at the cookbook, or saw an almond. You’re exposing whole classes of people to something that they do not have the kind of intimate experience with a food you’re describing. Instead, almond milk is the result of some mysterious industrial process, rather than something that comes from a cheesecloth in your kitchen. I think, experientially, buying a carton of almond milk at a store is very different than making it at home.
But in what way does that change the meaning of the established linguistics? That's the part I'm struggling to grasp. I understand the commercial milk producers wanting to muddy the waters from a competitive perspective, but why should you or I want almond milk, or other plant based milks, called something not 'milk'?
Because for many people, an alt milk is a new product — even if a product has existed for hundreds of years, you may be one of today’s lucky 10,000. It doesn’t much matter how long dolmas, or samosas, or arepas, or lumpia have existed, if you’ve never encountered it. What you and I, who are familiar with the production of alt milks, call them informally amongst ourselves is not what is at issue. I just don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that the word “milk” has a formal, legal definition, and that alt milks don’t fulfill it. I would take objection to courts saying that latex isn’t milk, for instance, because to my mind, the product of p somniferum is produced using a milking process, while an almond milk is an emulsion.
Hmm. I'm afraid this is where we're going to disagree. I don't agree milk needs a legal definition. I don't agree that consumers need protection from the word 'milk' being attached to other products, especially plant based milks that are generally clearly labeled and have hundreds or more years of context in our language.
Hell. There's 'human milk', 'goat milk', 'yak milk', etc.
If something needs to change, it should be that we need to now call it 'cow milk' and truly protect the consumer from confusion.
If I were a judge and you brought a suit against a dairy claiming they have to label their products cow’s milk and cited this case as precedent, I would find in your favor.
Unless you're drinking milk from the cow's tit, your milk is very mucg an industrial product to make it shelf stable and consistent. People have a totally wrong idea of what real milk feels or tastes like or what's involved in its production. At least oat milk is literally just filtered porridge you can make at home.
Absolutely! I am not pro-dairy; its production is definitely an immoral practice. I am not in favor of this decision because it is pro-dairy, but because it is pro-consumer. For me, the consumer protections that prevent me from buying vegan cheese when I mean to buy dairy cheese are the same consumer protections that prevent me from buying cheez-whiz when I mean to buy dairy cheese. The consumer protections that allow people to make informed decisions that I find morally reprehensible are the same consumer protections that allow me to make informed decisions that I find morally superior. I like this decision because I feel like I won, even though the evil dairies also won.
Peanut butter isn't butter, but it's called that because enough people agreed to call it so. It's a useful way to referring to something that has similar properties. Likewise, if I ask for a coffee I'll continue to ask for oat milk and not 'oat drink' as the latter sounds stupid.
Oat drink definitely does sound stupid, and I think oat milk will probably stay in the dialect, but have you considered we could come up with a cool cyberpunk name like “spod” or something?
I don't think there's any need to come up with a better name if we have one that works perfectly well already. Maybe I'd be ok with something else, provided it was cooler than 'spod' :p
Oat Splooge.
Also an emission and not an emulsion 😉
No, I want to overthrow cow milk and destroy that industry. So I call all milks "milk" except cow milk, which I call cow juice.
My primary complaint about this is that it is needlessly confusing for juice consumers, since if you juice a cow you get blood, and not milk.
It can produce other fluids as well.
For sure, but does it make sense to call something a milk if you can’t milk something to produce it? Doesn’t milk of magnesium just feel weird? You can’t milk a magnesium.
I was being facetious, but I actually get your point now - and yeah, I agree.
I am never more serious than when I am joking
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