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Auto giant Ford reported its worst quarterly earnings in four years on Tuesday, and a net loss of $8.2 billion for 2025, the largest yet since the 2008 recession.

At least some of that is due to the $4.8 billion that the company’s electric vehicle division lost in 2025.

The outlook is still looking bleak. Company executives said they expect to lose $4-4.5 billion more in 2026, and no expectation to breakeven until around 2029.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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Note that the Nissan leaf model 2 is still air cooled and battery capacity hasn't shown any of the problems of the early batteries.

I still think you're overblowing the complexity here. I'm not saying there's no R&D, of course not, I'm saying they should have gotten the bandwagon in the early days when the subsidies were higher. But I am saying that it's not rocket science, it's just a battery, some coolant and an electric motor. It's far, far, far less complicated than an internal combustion engine. You sound like you swallowed some marketing whole.

I'm very skeptical of your claim that you should run the regular electronics in an EV off the main battery rather than the 12V battery. A 12V battery has power output in the hundreds of watts, whereas the main battery has power output in the hundreds of kilowatts. I don't know how many electrical components there are where you can just multiply the power by 500 or 1000 without frying them, but I'm willing to bet it's not the indicators or the stereo! Heating/aircon is the only application that I can conceive of using even a single kw of power, let alone hundreds of kilowatts.

Anyway, the point still stands, Ford spent way too long denying EVs are here to stay and so they're falling at it. I had a Ford once, it was a decent family car, but my EV is far, far more fun to drive than any other vehicle I've driven including a lovely performance petrol car. I won't go back.

By the way, Elon is an awful human being and I think you'd have to pay me thousands annually to convince me to drive a Tesla, and tens of billions to drive a cybertruck. I'd spend most of the billions on humanitarian charities and supporting progressive candidates in elections and campaigning against big fat vehicles and for light rail and very frequent buses.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don’t know how many electrical components there are where you can just multiply the power by 500 or 1000 without frying them

They put an inverter on the battery and can route power more cleanly than from the front of the vehicle in the small battery, without worrying about draining the 12v in front and killing the car from starting. It also lets them do more than the could before as all the new tech is power hungry. (Edit: Think more spiderweb directly to locations, instead of routing everything from 1 point in the front)

I do agree with you that they all should have started sooner when there were better incentives.

Edit: Like you aren't watching Netflix and/or camping in a cooled or heated car for hours on end unless it's a battery hybrid or BEV and it's running off the HV battery through an inverter.

Edit: here's an article talking about wiring and Ford having 1.6km of extra wiring vs tesla/chinese OEMs who rethought the electronics system specifically for EVs. It's new thinking like this where you have the HV battery (which is/was expensive) to get your costs down and make it profitable. Less weight, cheaper for parts, and cheaper to install/maintain. This is hundreds of dollars in savings when they're already struggling on profitability. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-tore-apart-tesla-found-160356371.html