Hello everyone! After Discord's new CEO came to power, I think its now time to find a viable discord alternative. I figured out that fluxer.app might very well be the best one so I decided to make a community about the Fediverse on there

Fluxer is a discord-like application that also aims to bring decentralization by making users able to host their own Fluxer instances! There's a lot of potential and I think we should support the project. If you want to join, here's the link :D

https://fluxer.gg/uu6aWGis

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[–] Seefern@piefed.social 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

I think Stoat is the better option tbh, no tier pricing models for more features and they don't ask for any info like a birthday etc.

fluxer has those issue plus:

One thing that worries me a little about fluxer is this:  

    Finally, we can offer commercial licences to companies that want to run Fluxer internally without being bound by the AGPLv3 copyleft terms.  
This is enabled via a contributor-friendly CLA, but it doesn’t create a separate “enterprise edition”.  
It’s still the same Fluxer software everyone else uses.  
- https://blog.fluxer.app/how-i-built-fluxer-a-discord-like-chat-app/  

They have a CLA on contributions. 
So while today Fluxer is licensed as AGPLv3, tomorrow they can pull the rug and change the license, just like everyone else has been doing.

https://piefed.social/c/pcgaming/p/1787103/discord-keeps-walking-into-rakes-but-teamspeak-is-thriving-after-incredible-surge-of-ne#replies

Stoat is purely open source and donations driven. Just need an email address to sign up and you're good to go.

Best that we invest into an option now that is more decentralized and community based so we don't have another discord situation a few years down the line.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 1 points 43 minutes ago

I would really like to read the CLA, but this:

However, any distributed version that includes your contribution remains properly licensed under the project license(s) that applied when you contributed.

Seems like a green flag. If followed through in the CLA, it means that any version released under AGPLv3, that contains any contributions, will remain under AGPLv3. So in theory Fluxer could at some point change the license, but everything up until then would remain free and open source and available to, for example, continue a similar project. Furthermore, as long as the code contains contributions that were made during the AGPLv3 days the code will remain under AGPLv3.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Stoat have ruled out federation. They are also UK based too. Not good long term.

[–] Seefern@piefed.social 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Has fluxer indicated they are considering federation? Also, I don't feel like federation is the only path forward.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yes they have. It is third in their priority list.

But a centralised system based on a service hosted in the UK?

[–] Seefern@piefed.social 4 points 18 hours ago

Interesting, thats definitely a plus for fluxer.

I definitely understand that it being hosted in the UK isn't ideal.

[–] sam@piefed.ca 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Having the pricing model upfront is a good thing. Running these services costs money, and I'd rather know what their plan is now than be surprised in the future.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Idk how the pricing model works down the line when federation is active, but yeah.

[–] sam@piefed.ca 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like "premium features" only apply to users on the flagship server. If you self-host you get everything.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago

Yeah that means that he'll be degrading his own income down the line lol but it does give new self-hosters the same tools to collect income which, like it or not, is necessary.

[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Really fair point, but I think some compromises are necessary to keep the project financially sustainable. Stoat is incomplete, it's not federated and has shady development practices. Also, vc barely works and it's unreliable as heck

[–] Seefern@piefed.social 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

they're vc backed? that is offputting.

also whats this about shady dev practices? I haven't heard about that!

[–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

I think they might mean the GenAI back and forth

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think they mean Voice Chat with VC lol

[–] Seefern@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

lol shows where my brain is at haha