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GOP Lawmaker Asks God To Cleanse Government of Non-Believers at Christian Nationalist Event (www.friendlyatheist.com)

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would include most of them. They do not embody christian values. They do not follow the teachings of christ.

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No True Scotsman.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't say all of them. Just the subject of the post.

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Nevertheless, by saying most of them don't follow Christian values, you kind of imply that Christianity in and of itself is not to blame for their behavior. I submit to you that they are true Christians and Christian values are the reason.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

At its core like most belief systems there is a basic decency. Some like the eastern religions strive toward peace and understanding. They do this because they practice what they teach. Whereas a great many christians just give lip service to the peace and understanding. You have those that put themselves beneath their deity and use the words as a guide and those that put themselves above their deity and use it as a shield for their actions. The ones ascendant in the US today are the latter. We know all those books and words are just men making plans. To those with less awareness the simple manipulations of it all are more than enough to allow for charity and tolerance but to those who know its all made and pretend to believe its just there to get what they want. They do not want peace. They do not want tolerance. They want power.

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Again, I respectfully disagree. Peace and understanding are not at the core of the Christian religion, it's merely a pretense.

The bible says nothing against slavery, it calls for the death of homosexuals, it condones genocide in the name of their deity. It's a weak, diffuse collection of ancient myths and stories brimming with questionable morals that are incompatible with humanistic values.

Christians have always been cherry picking their morals from the bible according to what suited them best at the time. Every progress mankind has made during the past centuries towards enlightenment has been consistently opposed by the church and thus, by the people following what the church preached (just saying this because so many apologists claim only institutional religion is to blame). Still happens today - you will find most homophobic, racist and evil people are religious, while humanists are generally irreligious.

Claiming these wicked people are not the way they are because of their religion is failing to acknowledge the fundamental problem with religion as a whole - at its core lies a monumental intellectual dishonesty, because it's all about accepting the claim of god's existence without any evidence whatsoever. And people willing to accept unproven claims and who are able to lie to themselves in such a huge way are also very much able to tell themselves they're just doing good while committing unspeakable crimes.

Nope. These people are true Christians. They follow their holy book to the best of their ability and they do follow the teachings of Christ.