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You know, i used to have more heated discussions about this, but now i feel like I matured a different view on this, at all. I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. Ideally, being vegan is just that, being vegan. You can be whatever... It's not mandatory to be either.
I eventually found out that any amount of rage or hate for that was only projection of my special insecurities.
I agree it's a choice, but I don't think it's a personal one given that there is another sentient being victimized in the action.
A bit on the motivation behind vegan activism:
Say you're against needlessly exploiting animals. And you purchase/produce animal products when there are other options available. You would be needlessly exploiting animals while affirming a contradiction, that would be hypocrisy. Nobody can force you to act on that, but they can point what you're accountable for.
Vegans believe that most people are against needlessly exploiting animals, so they try to show this to people. Confusion may get in the way, but wanting to put on the spotlight what kind of exploitation people are supporting is what guides them.
Very good explanation on why it's not a personal choice.
This is how I explain it to people: The animals we eat aren't able to stand up for themselves, so some people try to do that for them. Kust like how activists do this for dogs or orangutans. It's not against personal choice, but about trying to protect those who are hurt by the choices of others.
Besides, we all share the same planet and animal agriculture has a big impact on it. So it's not like our choices don't affect others.
I would like to have a complementary or firm answer to this, but i recall really well the counter-activism that culminated with personalities like Jordan perterson and the 'meatfluencers'. I don't have a clear answer to these issues. Many things are getting expensive too, including meat.
I had a vegan roommate for years. I didn't cook much meat when he was in the house. But I was never personally vegan. I also did agree that it's more ethical to not kill for your food, let alone all the other horrors of factory farming. And I'm able to accept that I don't live up to that more ethical standard.
I think maybe people just don't like to think someone (especially annoying people) might be doing something better than they are? Like you said, special insecurities.
The only time I ever find myself getting preachy is when people who eat meat talk about halal meat as unethical. I have no idea why it bothers me so deeply when it's technically fighting for better treatment of animals, but there's something especially frustrating about the options are:
Kill them quickly.
Kill them slowly.
~~Don't kill them.~~
Probably because there's an inherent amount of hypocrisy in that argument? Unless they source all their meat very ethically they're likely supporting factory farms. Which is a lifetime of mistreatment and suffering for an animal. And then they quibble about the amount of suffering at death.
Yup
I don't know. I find the people insisting that farmers are the same as pedophiles to be pretty infuriating personally.
Because i don't want to deal in extremes any longer. We milked that vegan teacher for content long enough, we should know better now. Most vegans are not the vegan teacher, as a matter of fact
You know what fuck you too for apologizing for these fucks
Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn't be here.
Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other.
Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior.
I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else
Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being.
The time being is a way bigger dick than we are.
There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape.
The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows.
What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic?
Its fucking insulting to rape victims.
God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be.