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[-] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

You can't pretend to be altruistic when your idea of peace is letting Putin forcibly annex all former Soviet states. Come off it.

A counteroffensive is Ukraine's prerogative, right, and in many senses an obligation.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think Ukraine should negotiate for the best peace settlement it can get, and take it. You strawmanning me into thinking something else isnt really surprising, but it is disappointing that none of you delusional bloodthirsty armchair generals can even handle a differing perspective. This is further proved by your failure to answer a single one of my questions, instead once again choosing to soapbox to some imagined audience. Answer my questions you weak-willed little ingrate.

A counteroffensive is Ukraine's prerogative, right, and in many senses an obligation.

Obligation??? They're obligated to throw thousands to their death? Fuck you, go volunteer. That's your obligation. You have a moral obligation to go fight for Ukraine, you obviously think it is wrong for Russia to invade, so you are obligated to go do your duty in Ukraine. Or are you a coward, only willing to cheer on the death of others in a far away land?
You're doing the Shrek meme, but unironically.
Go give your life for the cause you snivelling little coward. You have an obligation to fight for glorious Ukraine.

[-] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I think Ukraine should negotiate for the best peace settlement it can get, and take it

And what do you imagine that settlement would be, other than a complete surrender of every square kilometer of their land, their people, and their lives?

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I'm just curious -- why are you so concerned with the nation-state of Ukraine maintaining its border, at apparently any cost? You virtue signal all day long that you're just concerned for the poor Ukranians, and yet you seem to conflate land, people, and constructed imaginary borders like they're interchangeable. Does "surrender of every square kilometer of their land" mean the same as them "losing their lives?" Is there a giant killswitch that just obliterates every inhabitant of a country when the arbitrary name associated with that land changes?

The point is this: I've got cousins fighting on the frontlines who can't wait to get the fuck out of that warzone, and you seem to have more of a perfectly liberal, purely aesthetic disgust for the idea of land changing ownership than you do for the notion of hundreds of thousands of people dying in a fucking trench in a needless war.

Fuck Putin, fuck Zelensky, fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia, fuck the United States, and fuck the bourgeois scum who pump out all the vile propaganda you're regurgitating, that tell you a piece of land is worth more than your family's life.

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