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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Sure most animals can sometimes eat both, very few actually do.

This is incorrect. Nearly all animals that we have labelled as "herbivores" will eat meat opportunistically. Nearly all carnivores, including obligate carnivores, exhibit plant-eating behaviors and plant material is regularly found in their scat.

Humans have been surviving predominantly on grains for thousands of year

Not only is the grain we eat unnaturally changed by humans through selective breeding to the point that it is unrecognizable compared to wild varieties, but thousands of years is basically a blink of an eye in evolutionary timescales. No, eating processed grains is extremely unnatural. There are literally no other primates that eat grain.

EDIT: you can downvote me but it does not change facts or reality

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, yes, I've seen deer eat mice when they can. They normally don't get that opportunity, thus opportunistic meat eaters, but they're still herbivores, their diet is still 99% plant matter.

Lactose tolerance is newer than humans relying on grain for 95% of their daily caloric intake. Which means that the time scales do matter. We domesticated grains and then those of us who were best able to survive on grains lived while those who couldn't do it died.

You talk about facts and reality, but you seem to be intent on twisting both to fit a narrative of "grains bad".

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You talk about facts and reality, but you seem to be intent on twisting both to fit a narrative of "grains bad".

I've only represented our diet of grain as unnatural, which is correct. You are projecting an argument of "unnatural = bad" onto me, which I have never claimed.

The facts are not a twisted narrative, they are plainly facts. You obviously cannot refute them (no one can), so now you construct a strawman.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm saying that "unnatural" is wrong and meaningless.

Humans were eating wild sorghum at least a hundred thousand years ago based on stone tools found in Mozambique.

We were actively sowing fields between 10 and 20 thousand years ago.

Sure we domesticated wheat, but what makes you think we didn't domestic ourselves as well?

You might as well say that cooked food is unnatural.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure we domesticated wheat, but what makes you think we didn't domestic ourselves as well?

Great, so you agree that I'm correct. Whether we domesticated ourselves or not is another matter entirely and does not change anything about processed grain being an unnatural diet for primates.

Your argument of semantics is irrelevant to and a distraction from the fact that nearly all animals eat both plants and meat.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It doesn't matter if grain isn't natural to other primates. It's natural to humans.

Cooked food isn't natural to other primates, but humans basically require it.

[–] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You being completely wrong also does not change reality.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Facts agree with me.