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So, I just learned about this the very, very hard way. After buying a second hand S10 and finding american ones can't be unlocked, traveling 4 hours to buy another one after much research, much annoyances to unlock it (samsung requires you to be online, which I didn't know) and testing multiple ROMs, I finally read this page more properly https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/beyond1lte/ which says "known quirks: IMS". I thought it was just something like dolby sound.

What it means is that it doesn't suport VoLTE and most currently used phone systems. Samsung made their proprietary mess, unlike most other developers, which means it will probably never have an open source version.

And that applies to ALL modern samsung phones. I had samsung phone before with a custom OS, but didn't realize because VoLTE wasn't mandatory back then. Now it is here in Australia, and many countries. So if you ever plan to buy a samsung phone to degoogle it, know that it won't make phone calls. SMS and mobile data also doesn't work.

I don't know how I missed this. It should be talked more often given how popular samsung is. There should always be a warning "YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE PHONE CALLS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU CONTINUE".

S10 was the last decent phone ever made (for me). Not too big, SD card, headphone jack (one of the most important things for me), good camera, etc, etc... That's why I was so persistent to find one to degoogle.

So I'm stuck with my amazingly shitty pixel 5 (and other ones are even worse for me). And considering the possibility of a life without smartphones at all, since this is a losing battle. Mainstream doesn't care and evil companies have every incentive to kill freedom. It has been getting really bad and it will just get worse. But anyway... this post is not about this.

Be warned, if you care about freedom don't ever buy samsung again. Not because they are evil (they are), but because you won't be able to make phone calls on your "phone".

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[–] guismo@aussie.zone 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

And how do you people talk to other people? Whatsapp? Apparently that's how it is in brazil, even to call companies or support.

About the second line, "best" is being generous. I guess you mean better supported. Although for some very odd reason the internet seems to love pixels. While they are the worse phones I've used for the price after apple phones (for similar reasons).

But above all, the fact that other phones support for open source is even worse than google is why I'm considering to learn to live without smartphones. If we have to rely on google for our freedom and privacy, we are well and truly fucked. And we deserve to be if that's the case.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Pixels are "loved" because they can run grapheneos and others. Not because they're technically superior phones.

They're the opposite of fucking samsung. In that one single regard though.

Attach phone, click install, wait, google gone. All others are getting harder and harder to even root.

[–] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's the only reason why I bought the pixel 5. It's easy to remove google stuff. But I see people praising the phones, as if, once you have installed your custom software (ignoring graphene), it's better than the alternatives.

Once/if you do manage do install something else on other phones, almost every other option of similar price is better than a pixel. But it seems that most things I read disagree with that.

But yeah, getting to the point of installing something the pixels are easier. But there are others like fairphones here that match that from what I'm told.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm surely no pixel fanboy. I bought the 6 pro when it came out only because it was ironically more open than the others. I'm actually still pissed at how incredibly bad the fingerprint sensor is for a 1200,- flagship (of that time). My 100 bucks banking-phone beats that by a large margin.

And I would really say that "is better" is very subjective. To me? Openness, large good oled screen, modern WiFi and good camera. In that order. Is my old pixel good? Yes. Is it better than others of the same class? Yes. For me. But it looses in pure numbers and benchmarks. I just couldn't care less, personally.

And jup, my next one (whenever this sucker dies, it's still running solid) will be Linux. Or whatever semi decent alternative will be current then. I'm done with big tech

[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Instead of whatsapp, I use signal. I explained to my friends that I moved to it. Some installed the app for me. Others didn't. I accept that.

[–] jonathan@piefed.social 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Have you dismissed Fairphone for some reason?

[–] guismo@aussie.zone 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It's very, very expensive for what it is. But I guess I just meant "mainstream" androids.

Going on alternative land there are options, like I used to have a phone with sailfishOS. But they will never have the adoption of mainstream phones, and it will probably be less and less with time as google tries to make people's life harder. And that means they will never have the same finance and support.

It's nice to support those companies, but like I said, I think it's a lost battle and I probably should focus my energies on learning to not rely on smartphones. Then it doesn't matter what feature apple or google remove, it won't affect me.

[–] rcbrk@lemmy.ml 1 points 59 minutes ago

The trouble in Australia with the Fairphone models is that some/all networks are blocking them due to a perceived/actual risk they may not work reliably on Australian networks, and Fairphone has not done what the networks demand for that approval. (There's a heightened risk-aversion here at the moment due to a few highly-publicised emergency-call routing/connection/fallback failures).

It's a work in progress though, and it should work already/eventually:
https://forum.fairphone.com/t/3g-network-closure-australia/109696

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I bought a fairphone 3 last year for £100 with e/os pre installed which works fine for me. I changed to the Lime booter for a better interface. It's not very fast if you want to game & the speaker isn't very good, but otherwise does all the basics I need or find handy asides from internet banking. Could be good if you want a basic smart phone for occasional use?

[–] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 5 hours ago

It will be pretty hard to find around here. But yeah, I'm considering. That and Jolla and dumbphones.

The issue is; they will die. Someone will try in their place, and then die too. There will always be rebellion, but always crushed by the empire (and lack of financial support).

I may find something usable now, but I have no guarantee that next phone will be. I often lose phones, and every time it's being a harder and harder battle to find a replacement.

The only safe way, considering that things are just getting worse, is to learn to not need smartphones.