you're deliberately twisting my words.
They are ethnic Russians with ukrainian nationality.
They have a right to live there which they did before the banderite scum had their coup and started attacking and discriminating them.

The rest of your statement suggests that you are from Poland.
They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.
Probably also why they don't give you impartial news and you clearly haven't seen the OSCE reports or other news.
Maybe if you're so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.
And if you claim to be antifa you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine, mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.
But probably your 'comrades' are anarchists, always on the wrong side against what the west calls 'authoritarian governments'
Always used as gullible tools, same as with the Kurds doing the US imperialists work when they are made to fight a country the US wants to take over.
Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?
Or is it likely this is another case of them being hypocrites?

I am Belgian and following this since before the start and the first regime chance operations with Yuchenko and that right-wing cunt Timoshenko.
I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.
I have access to every side and despite massive propaganda in my neutral opinion it is very clear who is the aggressor.
I have no reason to be biased.
You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news. Which is obvious since you claim there is no proof of an 8 year bombing campaign.
That's like denying the sun.
Really buddy, inform yourself

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

you’re insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.

https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/0/b/508991.pdf

Page 10 makes it sound like they were given access to only what the local FSB/GRU staff serving as local goverment wanted to show them?

your statement suggests that you are from Poland.

You never asked, but yeah Im from Poland, have a account on a Polish instance and some 10k posts in Polish so it shouldent be hard to guess.

They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.

Ah, so the "country" is biased, so obviously so am I? Surely im again twisting your words and you dont make asumptions about another 40 million people... Anyways wonder if the baias comes from 200 years of brutal occupation, more recent 50 years of less brutal occupation (only butchering some of the home army antinazi resistance members) or the fact that as opposed to you... We live in the region, see whats going on up close and have a right to self determination? Funny how that stuff works only when it serves your party line.

Maybe if you’re so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels

What for? I worked with people whos fammielies and villages were butchered by the Russians.

and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.

These I can visit in Ukrainian controlled territories easilly.

you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine,

You wouldent happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties? Also ex-ukraine is Donbas/Luhansk? How many proukrainian parties operate there without repression?

mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.

The funny thing is I work with Ukrainian unions. They face a lot of challanges from the capitalist goverment, absolutly. But cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions, not the mainstream yellow ones. Most of the unions in Ukraine are corrupt post-soviet mafia like structures btw in case you dont know. But I guess you meen some pro-russian ones? You at least carry a member card of any union, or is your concern pirely theorethical?

Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?

Is western imperialist states meddling a surprise to you? It is not to me, or collectively to us, here. What seems to be a surprise to you is that Russia does the exact same. The entire region has suffered multiple imperialist wars coming from both sides. Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them. Same as Kurds we know we got no friends other than the mountains. But its the real world. A more distant empire might be better then the one thst has been butchering your people for centuries and has troops on your doorstep. Realpolitics or geopolitics, call it what you want. This is broadly accepted as a fact.

I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.

Maybe more? Why would that be? Am I entitled to more oponions on Kongo the same way?
Im not denying your right to holding an opinion. Im resisting your attempt to shout down any other opinion, particularly from people who dont take their information from Russian propaganda channels but from actually, you know, living in the area and working woth refugees and activists in the war zone? I'm not asking you to blidly trust anything I say. You are telling me I cant speak my opinion bevaude you think you know better.

You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news.

Maybe check your western entitlement? You friend are watching the evening news for your information or something like that? Even if the RT propaganda is not officially accesible I could get access to it anytime. We just see how bullshit it is, and Ive been raised under dictatorship running its own, before this was taken over by capitalists and then a marrygoround of right wing nuts repeating putins talking points. So maybe I have more right to opinions on this, or does that only serve you?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Man you've gone mask off.
Unable to deny the facts you throw around weak whataboutisms.
Russia threw bombs too, Russia meddles too! Continue twisting my words and doubting my objectivity.
No, I don't "happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties"
And sure, a Pole even working with ukros definitely is not biased.

https://internationalviewpoint.org/Russia-s-war-no-excuse-for-attacks-on-trade-unions
They conitnue their attacks on trade unions.
But I guess they are all corrupt if it fits your narrative.

And here some you "cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions" https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/03/07/ukrainian-security-services-arrest-young-communist-leaders/

Communists not left-wing enough?
Or are they corrupt and evil pro-russian ones because they protested the western banderite coup?

Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them
Now here we have the biggest and revisionist lie exposing your nonsense.
Soviets and communists were the only enemy of nazis, fighting them was their only purpose.
Plenty morons throw around the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the idiotic horseshoe theory.
Easily debunked nonsense not worth debating, as useless as debating a flat earther.
But again, I imagine Polish learn an alternative history.

RT is censored here in the "free democratic west" together with all other news not following the lines.
Russian disinfo!!! Forbid!!!!

your attempt to shout down any other opinion,

That is also a verifiable lie.
I am shouting down your ridiculous denial of a war going on for 8 years.

And great cherrypicking from 1 OSCE report:
" as local goverment wanted to show them?"

Imagine that, the EU organization an actual supporter of these banderites finally gets limited access after they've been caught spying for their side.
THere are reports from the start
https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/117787
showing how they sent nazi Right Sector scum against unarmed and peaceful protests against the coup.

And more nice behavior from the regime you support:
https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf

THere are also OSCE reports stating 98% of violations came from banderite territory.
Can't wait for your whataboutism about the 2% the resistance did.
But no I'll let it go, you can't be helped and are too far gone.
You offer nothing factual and only make claims and assumptions based on nothing or your sides biased tales.

Bye now, keep being 'antifa' by supporting the US warmongering fascists and their vassals and proxies.