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They feel far more to be a relic of a bygone era in which the idea of a skill monkey carrying their weight to the game felt reasonable.

I do think that there are many opportunities to create a good rogue class. But rogue encompasses too many ideas, while simultaneously being far more of a backstory than an actual class.

The meat of the class that I think is valuable is a martial that's survivability is in dodging and whose offensive loop is to set up and exploit vulnerability each turn, whether it's by buffing themselves or debuffing their enemy. The problem is games like 5e take this and the math they give rogues just doesn't work out to leave them feeling equal to any other martial getting two attacks with 1d12/2d6 or even 1d8