Unpopular Opinion
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1. NO POLITICS
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4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...
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5. No trolling.
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6. Defend your opinion
This is a bit of a mix of rules 4 and 5 to help foster higher quality posts. You are expected to defend your unpopular opinion in the post body. We don't expect a whole manifesto (please, no manifestos), but you should at least provide some details as to why you hold the position you do.
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I think people moving to EVs is great, but if you absolutely need to get a car, the more economical and environmentally friendly option is to purchase a second hand vehicle regardless if it's electric or petrol based. Everyone suddenly switching to an EV would cause a catastrophic amount of waste to accrue. Second hand evs are also more expensive than second hand petrol cars AND are more likely to have problems. EV adoption will be gradual, but punishing the struggling working class for daring to use what they can afford AND not throwing working vehicles into the trash is pretty ignorant in my opinion.
Have any data to back up second hand EVs being less reliable than second hand gas cars? Everything I’ve personally experienced is that as long as the battery is liquid cooled, they’re practically maintenance free.
I don't have any data on me to be honest, most of what I hear is based on people I know purchasing second hand EVs, and from what I know of EVs. They suffer from battery degradation which right now is an expensive swap, and charger compatibility is heavily dependent on infrastructure that takes forever to roll out where I am. Internal combustion engines will run great even after 150,000 kms, whereas conventional electric cars and even hybrids show degradation at 80,000 on a few models.
Newer EVs likely have less of these problems, but when I talk of purchasing second hand, I'm talking cars that are 10+ years old.
That makes sense. 10+ years ago many models didn’t liquid cool the battery which is what lead to the degradation. Anything in the last 5 years on the used market is much more likely to have no issues.
That's good to know, that means in the next 5 years, EVs will be as practical to purchase (used) as ICE cars are.
We will be facing extinction by the end of the century if we don’t stop putting greenhouse gases into the stratosphere today.