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I'm starting to plan for the long-term with the idea to move out of the US, eventually. Having watched a lot of urbanist content, I get the impression that Amsterdam is the ideal city. However, I think other European cities get overshadowed. Specifically, Scandinavian/Nordic cities. How do Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm and Helsinki compare to Amsterdam and other Dutch cities? Can I get around with just walking and cycling? What's the public transit infrastructure in those cities like?

Additionally, I'm of Cuban descent, so will I face any racial discrimination? I'm pretty sure that Scandinavia as a whole isn't racist, but I don't doubt that I will have isolated encounters.

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Been around in both areas often, I'm Dutch and went to Oslo. Family has visited Copenhagen. All are walkable by US standards, by European standards as well. For Dutch standards, it varies a bit.


Overview

As for public transit, generally I'd say the NL are the best in the world (though Switzerland is somewhat better in its quality and reach to smaller towns). Still, all capitals and 100k+ cities in the Nordics should be decent in terms of public transit, walkability and bicyclability. Don't expect a utopia of perfection, but it's certainly better than NYC. Like every country, we have our nice things, problems and issues, just a bit differently.


Nordics

Of the big Nordic cities, Copenhagen is the most bicycle friendly, clearly the winner. I'd even go as far as to call them excellent for Dutch standards. The rest of Denmark is likewise decent. Odense pops out most in mind, they have a particular extra focus on bicyclists.

In Norway, Oslo is a relatively good one as well, lots of bicycle paths. Most Norwegians will take you into account when you bicycle along the roads, by driving a bit slower near you.

In Sweden, Malmö and Uppsala are good for bicycling. Stockholm, compared to other Nordic capitals, has a better cuisine and nicer architecture, but the biking is meh.

For Finland, the capital Helsinki according to the Copenhagenise Index, is number 6 out of all cities, so should be pretty good (the index only takes into account cities with 100k+ people, though).

Iceland is a beautiful country, but it's very car-focused. Reykjavík has quite some bits to improve regarding bicycle friendliness. It could be considered walkable, though it is not quite bicycle-friendly yet.

Faroe Islands: sorry buddies, I don't know too much about you.


The Netherlands

Amsterdam is on par with Copenhagen and good (but so are virtually all Dutch cities), though it suffers from a lot of tourists walking on the bloody bicycle lane. I've had to ring more than often to yell them away.

Utrecht I'd actually label more bike-friendly. It has or is going to have a neighbourhood that's completely car-free. The mid-sized cities Groningen and Nijmegen (nicknamed "Havana at the Waal") are great as well.

Of Dutch big cities, Rotterdam and The Hague are imho the worst. They have a more carbrained infrastructure. On a world scale it's still bicycle friendly, but you will encounter wide roads where other Dutch cities instead have bus lanes, bicycle lanes, etc. It's improving, though.


Discrimination
Most of the Nordics as well as the Netherlands are actually fairly sympathetic to Cuba and we like Cubans (not the far-right ones in Florida though, we detest those that voted for Trump).

With regard to discrimination, I think you'll find that it depends on how well you learn the national/local language. Most people in the NL and Nordics can speak English decently, but socialise in their native language. The better and sooner you learn that, the easier it'll be adapting. Discrimination isn't as overt or common as in the US, but usually is more 'casual', more subtle. Think à la, not getting hired as fast because of foreign names, lower salaries, that stuff. It's prohibited though, and so do report that.

But on how you'll be treated, approximated, you'll be fine. People are curious and like to hear from elsewhere. Jamte's law applies. Don't stick out too much, don't brag about being rich, don't put other people down, that all helps.

And, this goes for everyone (even native people included), but it's harder to get yourself into friend circles as an adult. Not impossible, though! Your best bets are through study, work, and hobbies. So seek those out.