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Yeah, gondor sucking is part of why tolkien never wrote a sequel to lotr. He was pretty much like "yeah theyre gonna go evil again within a century lol"
canonically they became England
Theyre more inspired by Rome or Greece imo
In terms of tolkien's "the lotr is anciente history of real world" idea, the lotr is antediluvian i.e. pre-noah, i.e. c. 5,000-8,000 bce depending on which medieval catholic chronology tolkien followed. In terms of catholic folklore, gondor cant become england because it will be drowned in the noah era flood.