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[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The pope should invite thiel to the vatican to discuss his views and then just capture him and burn him at the stake

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What if he doesn’t burn, per se, more like melts

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He does seem awfully robotic

He's gonna be full of cum like Bishop from Alien

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I would go back to catechesis immediately

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

CS Lewis seething from the grave that the actual existing Christians went for Tolkien instead

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago

Turns out the entire world hinging on the fate of a magical ring was more believable than Lion Christ

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tit for tat, we'll just make an ecoredacted-1redacted-2 and call it Fangorn

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Tolkien would approve:

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power stations

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Tolkien's problem with capitalist oppressors was that they got in the way of feudalist oppressors.

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh sorta but its more complicated than that. His fondness for feudal society was less "its hecking wholesome when the aristocrats are in charge and oppress people" and more "its easier to kill an aristocrat with knights and a wooden house than a capitalist with a steel bunker and aeroplanes and bombs" and "at least feudal society wasnt cannabalising nature and homogenising society as much."

[–] huf@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

he also liked that feudalism gave a human face to oppression. it was your local lord who was stealing your surplus value, a dude you grew up alongside. not some faceless government.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

is this shit not copyrighted? Why is the estate not suing the shit out of him?

[–] DasRav@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think you can just copyright any old place or thing that you wrote about.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Specific names of fictional places, characters, created words? Gandalf, Bilbo, Legolas, etc. are all covered under the copyright on the IP right? If Disney can sue every daycare that painted Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck or Toontown on their wall without permission, surely the Tolkien estate could claim ownership of "Palantir" and "Anduril" and "Valar" and "Lembas" when a for-profit corporation tries to coast off the name recognition from Tolkien's works in their brand name. Mithril/Mithral is so widespread now in its usage I don't think that one is going back in the bottle as it has entered widespread adoption.

[–] DasRav@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I still doubt this would fly even assuming they did this as soon as Palantir dropped as the first company. It would have been their best bet though. They are definitely too late now because precedent has been set with them not challenging Palantir or any of the followups for years.

And even if this is a valid lawsuit, the Tolkien Estate would be bled dry by the legal fees while Peter Thiel would not notice the expense. He'd likely end up owning the rights to LOTR at the end of the attempt.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess we have no choice

Time to get the evil men of the east up in here

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, not to defend Tolkien here, I'll be the first to admit that his books have A LOT of reactionary undercurrents, despite personally having enjoyed them. But there is a scene in the original books (that I think got cut in the theatrical release of the movies) where Sam finds the body of an Easterling and realizes that the guy probably wasn't "evil", but just a normal guy with a home and a family who likely got drafted into this conflict to fight with Sauron without even knowing who that was or why the war was being fought.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It was definitely cut from both versions of the movies

And I have seen the extended editions

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it does show up in the director's cut but they have Faramir say it instead of Sam. But it was pretty dumb to cut it out completely cuz it does establish that the humans who allied with Sauron aren't inherently evil, they just allied with him for geopolitical reasons. They also cut out a scene where Sam overhears some Orcs complaining that they hate serving in Sauron's army and would prefer to return to a life of banditry and looting if they could, which was also dumb.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm not a super lore master, but it's my understanding that a lot of Sauron's allies like some of the hill tribes join him because the people of the west were colonisers that kicked them out of their land in the first place. So obv Sauron is evil, but the kingdoms like Gondor gave people plenty of reason to want to fight them.

[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The dunlendings used to live on the land that is now Rohan. The rohirrim descended down from the north and kicked them out. Those dunlendings are the hill tribes.

The Haradrim and Gondor had been fighting over harondor and the surrounding area forever.

The Rhunnic tribes and Gondor had been fighting over the northeastern border forever too. I think Aragorn led a campaign against them shortly after the war of the ring.

When the Numenorians landed in eriador they kicked out the local enedwaith peoples.

They're colonizing hella

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, gondor sucking is part of why tolkien never wrote a sequel to lotr. He was pretty much like "yeah theyre gonna go evil again within a century lol"

[–] jack@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

canonically they became England

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

Theyre more inspired by Rome or Greece imo

In terms of tolkien's "the lotr is anciente history of real world" idea, the lotr is antediluvian i.e. pre-noah, i.e. c. 5,000-8,000 bce depending on which medieval catholic chronology tolkien followed. In terms of catholic folklore, gondor cant become england because it will be drowned in the noah era flood.

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not a lore expert either but yeah I think it is established that some of the Easterling kingdoms primarily allied with Sauron due to previous conflicts with Gondor.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

I am and that is the broad strokes. It is also possible that some were still ruled by the dark Numenoreans who worshipped morgoth who colonized the place in the 2nd age and didnt due when Numenor was sank cause they were in their colonies.

[–] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's in the extended edition of the Two Towers here

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Well shit, i should watch them again

Did not recall that being in there

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanking Erreth-Akbe that the worst thing that ever happened to Earthsea was just a shitty Ghibli movie

Fuck you, Goro Miyazaki, you father was right to hate you

[–] asdasd201@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's also the black metal band found by the Nazi snow ape.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

The horrors of the American [Tolkien fan] scene I will pass over, though they have given me great distress and labour. (They arise in an entirely different mental climate and soil, polluted and impoverished to a degree only paralleled by the lunatic destruction of the physical lands which Americans inhabit.)....