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They did starve a lot of people to death and made a lot of people work to death as slaves, though. And I mean, like, a lot. Like the most people ever murdered by leaders, even including the Holocaust, though maybe not per capita?
First of all, every nation is a capitalism, so technically yes.
Second, the USA in it's 250 year history has never had a famine, much less ones on the scale caused by the USSR and Mao Zedong.
The communist dictatorships, as direct results of changes in policy and management, make up half the lists of famines total. If you have some secret data that proves tens of millions of people per year die in every democracy, please present it.
The US just exports the famines to other countries, but the principle is the exact same. Deny people access to food in order to force them to align with you politically.
Ah yes, the war in Iraq, famously so that we could take away all their saffron. /sarcasm
Did you know North America exports a third of all food globally, up from a fourth in the 1990s?
Gaza, Cuba, North Korea and Somalia come to mind.
You think the USA is stealing North Korea's food? That's a fucking new one, lmfao.
Have you ever heard the term "economic sanctions"?
Economic sanctions as a result of their own aggression, and they still have trade partners like China.
I didn't know they bombed the US back to the iron age in the Korean War, I thought it was the other way around.
Do you have any source?
I wonder what the major difference is between North and South Korea. Hmmmm. Gorsh, I really wonder. Regardless, the sanctions exist now as a result of current behavior.
So you're saying the reason the USA sanctions the north and not the south is because they bombed the north and not the south which is also because, again, they bombed the north and not the south? The USA and North Korea have been in some infinite time loop forever?
Debating you people isn't even fun, I'm gonna head out.
The South Korean dictatorship was propped up by the US, and had the chance to develop economically, which lead to a gradual democratization.
The North Korean dictatorship was sanctioned to starvation levels, which historically always leads to more authoritarian leadership.
lmfao
So if we just sell the guys threatening nuclear apocalypse all the cheap grains and livestock they want then they'll automagically transform into a democracy on their own.
OK Pal. So why hasn't China evolved? Why did Russia backslide into autocracy? And if it really has everything to do with trade and nothing to do with local policy, why can't China and Russia sell them what they need to evolve?
So to clarify, when you combined the stats from every nation on earth, you come up with less deaths than from singular famines in communist dictatorship and still call that about equal?
You mean state capitalist dictatorships. What most people call communism including Stalinists and MLs is actually just state capitalism and couldn't be further away from communism.
The surplus filled the pockets of party elites. Don't fool yourself. ML states were barely even socialist to begin with. They were basically just state capitalist states with a thin layer of red coating. The party didn't care about the worker. The party only cared about it's own hold on power and loyalty of it's subjects.
And I have read Marx and it is quite a huge leap from Marx to whatever MLs are trying to do.
"Best workers rights in history were in ML states." sounds about as credible as if Trump would say it himself.
Last time I checked Soviet workers had no striking rights against mismanagement by party elites and the SU first legalized it in 1989. Also guess what happens if you strike in China or North Korea, where workers also have virtually no say.
Going mask off eh? Doing whataboutism and proving you don't actually give a shit about workers.
Like fuck they did. MLs only ever cared about staying in power.
You mean it disagrees with what your Good Camp preaches. Naturally there isn't going to be any evidence good enough for you.
For you pseudo-historical knowledge is when people disagree with the official position of your favorite corrupt dictatorship. As if dictatorships are ever honest, doesn't matter if they are supposedly socialist or right wing.
13,325 died in 2023 in China of starvation, more per capita than some nations and less than others. The one famine fulfilled no purpose, it was a pointless slaughter.
We're not blaming anything on communism to begin with, from the start we've been blaming two very specific communist dictator "state capitalists" Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin for killing tens of millions of people via policy which resulted in starvation, slave labor, wars, etc.
What were labor camps then? When prisoners are forced to work without compensation it is slave labor. A lot of the prisoners also were just political dissidents who got locked up for criticizing the wrong people.
That's because you can't call China nor the SU nor North Korea communist or even socialist.
I mean, plenty of memes here point out that actual scale of the crimes of both leaders.
This is just some absurdism having fun.
... or the secret truth why we're all in hell right now.
Yeah but if I don't bring it up then people like that Compast guy in this thread below us will try to lie to people about it.
Don't worry, fascist apologists get banned whenever I wake from my terrible demsoc slumber
They sent me a message
So support for workers is conditional for them?
Is there anything wrong with that? If workers are doing wrong certainly I wont support them
It is privileged to believe people can just choose labor in nations with poor security nets like the US. Industrial workers include those exploited in the arms industry. MLs arent even pro-worker because they make exceptions on who counts as a worker and oppose unions.
"I care about workers, except the ones on the wrong side of Border, which is Very Important To Me"
A kind of national variant of socialism.
Thanks for banning compost. The way the went mask off when confronted by how little the SU cared about workers rights.