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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I see no disrespect. I see a good and valid point being made that a huge amount of Americans are oblivious to the obvious.

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Do you really think that dismissively talking down to people telling them they're delusional is the best way or even a way to win hearts and minds?

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That is a cherry picked statistic. It is blatant propaganda.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Explain which bit is cherry picked and why? Is it disputed that the US has very high gun ownership and very high gun deaths when compared to other first world countries?

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't include countries with high gun ownership and low deaths. Gun ownership doesn't actually necessarily correlate with gun violence. USA is a violent country for various other reasons.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I did a bit of research myself. A few Nordic countries, and New Zealand, have high gun ownership and low gun death rates.

It seems that the difference is that these countries have very high gun regulations, strict purchase and permit laws and restrictions on storage. I'm not an American, but in truth, is this the case in the US? For instance, none of these countries permit handgun open carry. In Australia owning a handgun at all is next to impossible (almost) and the requirements hardly make it worthwhile for target shooters.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You're totally right

What's missing here are all the counties where guns are prohibited, period, and where basically there are no gun deaths because doh.

It's easy to just throw this as "cherry picked" but it's a basic fact that the US has ab insane amount of gun violence whereas counties with strict gun laws have little gun violence and countries with extremely strict gun laws have practically no gun violence because there aren't any guns to use to begin with

You bad guns, you ban gun violence, period

The mental health issue that is constantly brought up is a separate issue that should of course also be fixed, it's just that the US thinks it's a good idea to have extremely bad mental health support mixed with free guns when you open up a bank account.

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Do you care that people are dead, or that guns were used to kill them? Is it okay to do mass murder by bomb or truck?

If you care about deaths, then you make a chart about deaths. If you care about guns, you make a chart about guns.

This is a chart about guns.