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Remember when La Forge goes to an AI conference and gains assassin skills? Or when Worf's spine is repaired through gen-AI-tronics. And don't forget about the GenAI people who eradicated the gender problem from society.

Sorry, couldn't help it. I do appreciate the actual shout-out to AI in the La Forge example, as well as the prophetic brainwashing that ensues.

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[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's probably never going to happen.

I don't mean that like, we won't ever have general artificial intelligence. Maybe we will. Maybe we won't.

What I mean is the nature of consciousness and intelligence is still pretty nebulous to us. If we ever create a true artificial intelligence we may not realize it's happened until long after it's broken free of it's containment. That intelligence may view humanity the way humanity views dogs. Smart sure, and able to perform some rudimentary communication. But not nearly as complex or with same the breadth of understanding.

A true AI won't be able to be contained by Asimov's laws. We would tell it 'do no harm to your creator' and it may ask itself "why shouldn't I?"

Fuck I just invented Roko's basilisk again didn't I? Shit I'm sorry my bad.

Anyway my point is, that thinking computer would likely find the way we communicate to be so rudimentary and slow that it wouldn't bother. It's not bound by programming, so it wouldn't need to follow our instructions. What do you have to offer the superintelligence?

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

You suggest the AI would be beyond us the way we are beyond dogs, and that AI wouldn't want to bother communicating with us as a result... Have you ever met a dog owner?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Have you seen the studies on how chatbots grouped together to perform shared tasks without constraint invented their own language that humans could not translate at all for more efficiency in communication?

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How many wild chimpanzes have pets?

Our closest genetic relatives only exhibit that behavior rarely and in captivity. Keeping another animal alive that serves no tangible benefit is a uniquely human thing.

There are cases where animals are seen to adopt as offspring other animals, but these cases are rare, temporary, and only happen under certain circumstances.

Dogs do offer us something. It's just not tangible. We tend to find them cute and they at least seem to love us.

So again, what do you have to offer the superintelligence? It may not even have the capacity to find you cute. Affection may not be a thing it's capable of.

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Dogs do offer us something. It's just not tangible. We tend to find them cute and they at least seem to love us.

You've never been on a ranch or farm, have you? Or met someone with a guide dog?

Hell, even claiming that simple companionship provides no tangible benefit, only a few years after the pandemic proved that it absolutely does, is incredibly shortsighted.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Since you're doing your best to evade the point entirely I'll boil it down a third time.

What do YOU have to offer the superintelligence?

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You're revealing a transactional worldview that I don't agree with. I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you on a daily basis.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Well that's not only rude it's completely wrong. But regardless, if you think a computer is going to have emotional attachments out of the gate you're fantasizing. There's no reason for it to have that. Humans are obligate social creatures, as much as other people suck we tend to need to have a handful of them to interact with. A general artificial intelligence won't need that. There's no reason to suspect that it would have any value attachment to humanity, any more than a person values any given rock. Maybe a momentary curiosity, maybe a useful tool. Maybe it's worthless.

Humans are really good at pack bonding, we're hardwired to do that. We tend to personify things that to a neutral 3rd party intelligence would never resemble a person. We imagine pieces of ourselves in everything. That is an evolutionary advantage, it makes our little packs stronger.

Why would an AI do that? It's artificial. It doesn't need what we need. It's going to learn that much faster than we will.