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We've previously discussed the recent book Abundance and adherents recognizing that China has exceeded the US in terms of the metrics that actually matter: which country has the infrastructure and is at the technological frontier. Adherents effectively contend that capitalism can be sufficiently reformed to let the treatler flow — and while providing a damning critique of US incapability to build any infrastructure whatsoever (e.g., California's million dollar toilet, housing crisis, and continued high-speed rail failures), still seem to contend copying China wholesale is not the best system because China moving too fast brings its own kind of issues (e.g., short-term visibility projects solely for local officials to get promoted, corruption to blame corporations for actual local governance failures, etc.) and following science with disregard for ethical/environmental/etc. consequences citing things like the one-child policy.

We’re gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you’ll say, ‘Please, please. It’s too much winning. We can’t take it anymore, Mr. President, it’s too much.’ And I’ll say, ‘No it isn’t. We have to keep winning. We have to win more!’

xi-lib-tears, probably

I'm assuming this is going to be a mainstream Dem candidate position, whether or not they actually claim to have any positions, and more importantly need to do some dunking IRL, but keeping in mind the Mao quote, would appreciate those who have investigated the issues further to speak on them. A year later, what are your favorite internal critiques of the Abundance lib position, even if we assume Dems will actually do something and try to implement such an agenda?

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[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Unsurprising that they haven't even read their own book. Direct quote from Abundance:

Just as feudalism blocked production that only capitalism could unleash, so did capitalism constrain an abundance that a new paradigm might unleash. Core to this analysis of the economy was an idea that has come to be called the “fettering of production.”[24] Marx observed that many companies’ obsession with profit kept the entire economy from exploring ideas that threatened incumbent margins or failed to produce immediate returns. Among capitalism’s many sins, Marx wrote, was that it prevented the most wondrous and useful technology from being invented and deployed in the first place. An economy run amok with useless fettering serves the rich few at the expense of the poorer many.

Marx’s aim was not to turn the production machine off, but to direct its ends toward a shared abundance: to unburden the forces of production and make possible that which had been impossible to imagine. There is much he got wrong, but one need not be a communist to see the wisdom in this analysis.

(The book does not follow this up by providing an example of what Marx got wrong.)

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 13 points 15 hours ago

I swear they reference Marx just to get people frothing with rage and whinging about how libs are actually cultural Marxists.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I think there are bits in the book and certainly Klein's interviews where he does make some awful dereg arguments, like against air filtration requirements in apartments and shit like that, completely unforced errors to any decent human being (but he is not one).

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yeah, you're right, I kind of blocked out those "solutions" from my memory because they were so absurdly bad that Marx managed to dunk on it from the grave in their own book