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The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant (utcc.utoronto.ca)
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I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Okay so I need to use X11 because you think the Wayland support for KDE Plasma isn’t finalized?

You need to understand the difference between the quality of Wayland itself and the specific implementation of a compositor but you don't. "Plasma's Wayland port is incomplete, so Wayland developers should consider it a failed project and work on X11 instead" as an attitude just makes zero sense.

I think that you’re factually wrong about me being wrong about Wayland support. Most applications I use still run xwayland.

You initially said that most applications in general are not compatible with Wayland and that's untrue. If you personally happen to mainly use only outdated Electron applications, that's your problem but doesn't reflect of the state of the wider ecosystem. Qt 5&6 and GTK 3&4 applications run on Wayland and most don't even need a dedicated Wayland port.

Your post paints the picture that Wayland is “just a thing for Gnome”

No, but it is a fact that Gnome is ahead in Wayland support and all major distributions (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL) default to Gnome with Wayland, therefore your claim of low adoption is just wrong.

I think the compositor coupled with it is generally dogshit and unstable and it’s a travesty KDE pushes kWin so hard down my our throats.

KDE doesn't push anything down your throat, you're just incapable to replace KWin with an alternative, even though at least one wlroots-based one exists.