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Most of the people I know who are looking to move back to the Bay Area or Portland/Seattle are doing to because of the political climate, not the weather. A lot of people were pushed to move by their jobs, or elected to move because they saw a cost of living benefit. They figured they could do the blue city in a red state thing. With people like Abbott in charge, that’s no longer going to be a viable option.
How so? Isn't the average tech worker's salary sufficient to pay for personal remedies to most statewide conservative laws? For example, someone earning six figures would have no trouble quickly and quietly traveling to another state for an abortion.
I don't know anyone in Austin but I do have liberal tech worker friends in DeSantis's Florida and while they're opposed to his policies, they aren't personally affected by those policies in any serious way.
I make decent money and live in Texas. My wife is currently pregnant and the state's policies on maternal care during pregnancy scares the shit out of me. In the case of a medical emergency money doesn't buy time.
The education policies being pushed by the state government are also terrible and private schools are not really any better in that regard. We could homeschool but I am not interested in that for my child.
The general rhetoric demonizing and taking the basic human rights of immigrants, LGBT, and other marginalized communities is also really hard to hear.
Several mass shootings as schools and public places with no interest in taking any kind of preventative actions is disgusting.
The property taxes have become a significant burden on our housing price with no sign of that changing anytime soon.
The state government is opernly corrupt and hostile to anyone who is not a Republican and quietly hostile to the Republicans who aren't high income, powerful, or political donors. Look at our power grid and the states actions after the freeze.
Money can't buy your way out if any of these. We stay because our families live nearby and we want our kids to grow up around them. If I could convince them to move with us, I would leave in a second despite living here for the last 30 years.
We had considered moving from our high cost of living area to a cheaper state but ultimately didn’t because of our young kids. We’re squeezed pretty hard here and we could all live very comfortably on my salary in another state. But I couldn’t find a place with remotely acceptable schools. And who would our kids friends be? Very worried about the influence of their peers, raised by racist homophonic garbage.
And beyond maternal care, healthcare in most “affordable” states is just bad. We have the best healthcare system in the country where we’re at. What if we move to a state in the bottom third of the country and one of us got sick? The healthcare stories from rural America are very chilling.
And then once the kids grow up, what do they do then? No jobs, no decent higher education, lots of heroin, etc. Their options will likely be leave or fail unless something dramatically changes in the next decade. This might not really apply to Texas or the southwest but I’m on the east coast.
I've spent a total of 45 years in Midwest suburbs and 5 years in NoVa. I did not like healthcare in the big city. You have to go in and pretty well know what is wrong and what you want them to do about it. If you're just feeling off with a bunch of random symptoms, they don't have time to listen to all of that bullshit in the city.
I'm honestly much happier with healthcare here. I've never felt my doctor rushing me out the door the way I did on the East Coast. I had to go into the hospital in Orlando with the worst headache and sweating I've ever had (and that's saying something because I suffer from constant migraines) and I sat in the waiting room for about 8 hours before I left to go suffer and/or die in peace and quiet.
All I'm really saying is healthcare is a lot more nuanced than rural vs. urban.
Jobs? I don't know. The pay is less here but so is the standard of living. Other than being a tech worker in silicon valley, I'm not really sure what is missing here. I guess maybe the jobs skew more toward blue collar than banking and legal and stuff, but I've been a white collar working almost my whole life here in the Midwest (as a programmer working with banks and courts as well as industry and retail) - there is certainly no shortage of such jobs I can see. I suppose there are fewer employers, so it's harder here to tell your employer to get fucked and you'll go work for someone else, but just look for the job first and then tell them to get fucked and you're fine.
MSU and UofM are both pretty good schools, though I'll concede they aren't ivy league.
I can't speak to heroin here because I'm pretty far removed from the drug scene - that seemed a much bigger problem in NoVA than here, but I'm sure there is plenty of meth in the rural areas, but from what I can tell the suburbs are mostly legal pot and probably cocaine (just judging from the billboards I see).
I'm not trying to argue with you, just offer a different perspective. I couldn't handle the crush of people and ultimately that's why I left, but I also learned how much I missed from where I grew up.
Those are good points. I suppose issues involving children are the biggest concerns. I tend not to think about them much because I don't have children, but my friends in Florida do. They seem content with the quality of their local schools but I can see how school quality could vary wildly.