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You have that option I think, yes. Why do y'all always assume you're going to win though? You had a chance on January 6th, you had a chance every time Trump calls for a big rally at some courthouse proceeding, Trump had his chance not to surrender and to hole up with all his brave warriors and dare the deep state to come and dig him out.
I'm not saying there's not something very dangerous in these statements, because there is. But I can also confidently guarantee that just like with Ashli Babbit, as soon as bullets start coming back at Huckabee and a lot of these other extremely soft John "I-don't-do-all-that-well-when-my-plumbing-has-an-issue-let-alone-on-a-goddamned-battlefield" Eastman types, they're going to start all kinds of aggrieved moaning about how someone needs to enforce the laws against political violence, because this is crazy.
Political violence for thee not for me.
They had the President of the United States on their side, pulling every string he could, and STILL couldn't pull it off.
I'm not worried at all about a few neofascists doing suicide by cop when we have the most powerful country in the world.
So that's why the next really dangerous step is when the law enforcement apparatus (federal and local) starts to buy into the "all Republicans are patriots, all Democrats are the enemy" mindset in a big way. On Tyranny has a really great explanation of how this happens, backed up with some really extensive research on places where it did happen and exactly how it progresses. We're showing a lot of resilience against it in the US, but also, it's not at all impossible.
Remember, the Nazis were a bunch of weirdos and incompetent losers too, until all of a sudden they weren't.
I'm just not worried about that because it only applies to countries with small military/police. We have a gigantic military and police apparatus, combined with a longstanding democratic culture. There is not going to be any "civil war" in the most powerful and successful country in the world.
What these assholes will do if Trump loses (or assuming we're not in fact still in the absolute worst timeline, rots in prison) isn't really what worries me, so much as what these same assholes will do if Trump wins. History has some insights and they're very worrying. Something about shirts and the color brown. While there would be a certain poetic justice for these tools to end up the same way, I rather not have to deal with the fallout of the rest of that situation. Further the implications for the rest of the world should the US go down that route are very troubling.
I think this is how urban legends like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster start. He's been crying deep state for so long, archaeologists are gonna think it was a real thing.