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[-] edward@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Media Bias Fact Check, the site that makes no distinction between centrism and being unbiased.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

your opinion ≠ fact, although you're welcome to attempt to prove your claim.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

MediaBiasFactCheck's opinion ≠ fact either. Don't trust other people to do the thinking for you.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you saying that being a centrist and being unbiased are the same? Is there no such thing as a centrist bias?

And don’t say I’m putting words in your mouth. You said that my comment isn’t fact, so what about it isn’t factual?

Or are you saying the site does make that distinction? Because their scale of left bias - unbiased - right bias with a complete lack of centrist bias is proof that they don’t. Here’s the proof of my claim, right from their website, the center is labeled “least biased”:

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Amazing that a grown adult doesn't understand the concept of bias. Wait till he discovers that what centrist opinions are changes from country to country. Gonna absolutely blow his mind.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And don’t say I’m putting words in your mouth

but that's exactly what you did.

You said that my comment isn’t fact, so what about it isn’t factual?

you expressed an opinion.

Because their scale of left bias - unbiased - right bias with a complete lack of centrist bias is proof that they don’t. Here’s the proof of my claim

all that you've proven is that it is, in fact, you who cannot distinguish centrism from being unbiased because you conflate the center of a bias spectrum with political centrism in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed and you'e trying to inject political alignment as a:

Straw man

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Please tell me where on their bias spectrum a centrist biased source would go. I'm not conflating anything, the site is.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just explained how that's not what this spectrum illustrates. your lack of comprehension is not my responsibility.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What does the spectrum illustrate if not bias? Because it sure looks like it's a scale of bias: Extreme Left Bias, Left Bias, Left-Center Bias, Least Bias, Right-Center Bias, Extreme Right Bias. And it sure seems to correspond with the part of the article right below it that explicitly says "Right-Center Bias"

And again, where would a centrist biased source go on that spectrum?

Also: ad hominem if you want to just link logical fallacies.

And it is your responsibility. You are trying to disprove what I said but have offered no proof otherwise.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I already explained how that’s not what this spectrum illustrates. your lack of comprehension is not my responsibility.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What, political bias vs political alignment? Again, where would a heavily biased, centrist aligned source go on their graph? You haven't answered that.

[-] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate", and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings. The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki, which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't even know what that means and you're just throwing it around on things that aren't that. Citing logical fallacies is useless and the absolute worst debate bro thought terminating cliche.

[-] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

"nuh-uh" is not an effective form of argument.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

That's literally the argument BrooklynMan is making. He's saying "that's not what the spectrum illustrates" without giving any proof as to what it illustrates.

[-] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i find their argument effective. i'm borrowing it.

and they explained it clearly. you just ignored it because you didn't like it.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I already explained how that’s not what this spectrum illustrates. your lack of comprehension is not my responsibility.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Where did you explain that? Please quote it.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

for those with amnesia, scrolling up is helpful t refresh the memory.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lmao you went back and edited your comment to remove the part I replied to (political bias vs political alignment).

I see nothing left in your comment that explains how that's not what the spectrum illustrates. Here's what you haven't removed so far:

all that you’ve proven is that it is, in fact, you who cannot distinguish centrism from being unbiased because you conflate the center of a bias spectrum with political centrism in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed and you’e trying to inject political alignment as a Straw man

in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed

This part is malformed, I'm not even entirely sure what it's supposed to say. I'll assume this:

in a context where the two (left and right) are the only political biases being discussed

So you're saying that the site just doesn't consider centrist bias at all but only looks at left and right? Why is that? Centrist bias a form of bias too, isn't it? Why don't they consider centrist bias?

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

lmao you went back and edited your comment to remove the part I replied to (political bias vs political alignment).

you're welcome to try to prove any wrongdoing on my part, and I'll point to the fact that many of your comments are edited as well.

I see nothing left in your comment that explains how that’s not what the spectrum illustrates

I hold no surprise that you fail to comprehend something when your argument relies upon you not comprehending.

your opinion notwithstanding, what you may assume and words you put in my mouth do not constitute any argument I've made-- nor can I be held responsible for such.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you’re welcome to try to prove any wrongdoing on my part, and I’ll point to the fact that many of your comments are edited as well.

Legit fucking gaslighting. You know damn well there isn't an edit history. But I replied to the part you removed with:

What, political bias vs political alignment?

My edits have not removed anything like yours have.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Legit fucking gaslighting

no, it's just a rebuttal to an unproven and slanderous accusation.

My edits have not removed anything like yours have.

so you claim...

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

no, it’s just a rebuttal to an unproven and slanderous accusation.

It's unprovable, which you know damn well. I know what I saw in your comment though and you telling me otherwise is gaslighting.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

It’s unprovable, which you know damn well.

I also know that it's not my problem, something you should have considered before making such a claim.

I know what I saw in your comment though and you telling me otherwise is gaslighting.

so you claim...

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How about you respond to the part where I respond to what's left of your comment?

in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed

This part is malformed, I’m not even entirely sure what it’s supposed to say. I’ll assume this:

in a context where the two (left and right) are the only political biases being discussed

So you’re saying that the site just doesn’t consider centrist bias at all but only looks at left and right? Why is that? Centrist bias a form of bias too, isn’t it? Why don’t they consider centrist bias?

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

why would i give your fallacious argument legitimacy by engaging with it?

your opinion notwithstanding, what you may assume and words you put in my mouth do not constitute any argument I’ve made-- nor can I be held responsible for such.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

what you may assume and words you put in my mouth do not constitute any argument I’ve made

Then please explain what the following means, because it isn't proper grammar and you just called my best attempt at interpreting it "words I put in your mouth".

in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

why would i give your fallacious argument legitimacy by engaging with it?

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

God this is such bad faith bullshit. Fuck off.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I am not responsible for your psychological projection. I would point out that you’re the one who keeps returning to an interaction you find frustrating and unsatisfying expecting different results, and blaming me because I won’t give you the answers you want.

[-] edward@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago
[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I am not responsible for your psychological projection. I would point out that you’re the one who keeps returning to an interaction you find frustrating and unsatisfying expecting different results, and blaming me because I won’t give you the answers you want.

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