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If India ordered a murder in Canada, there must be consequences (www.economist.com)

submitted 11 months ago by xuxebiko@kbin.social to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses

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[-] CanadaPlus 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The thing is we're scared of China and you're the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If the west is scared of China, then India's PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China's name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country's ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.

[-] CanadaPlus 14 points 11 months ago

Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.

[-] _lemmy_07@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Where is this statement coming from? India literally took the Galwan issue with China. India lost 20 brave men who were cremated with state honours. It was in the news for weeks. I don't know where your "Nothing happened" statement is coming from. The defence minister/ EAM answered questions on this in parliament.

[-] sfgifz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

There are two sides here - absolute nationalism where India and Modi can do no wrong, and absolute cucks where everything that India, Modi, or Hindus do is all wrong. OP is one of these extremes.

[-] random_prime@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I understand your point of view but don't you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don't you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.

[-] CanadaPlus 6 points 11 months ago

That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don't know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don't think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.

What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I'm not Indian.

[-] random_prime@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn't necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.

It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it's foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.

Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.