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submitted 11 months ago by CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Confirmed by AP news here (go directly to slide 4 in the slideshow for more information)

For those who don’t want to click the link:

And here is info on the “1st Ukrainian Division”

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[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 69 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was easily predicted that the west wouldn’t liberalize Ukraine, but that Ukraine would fascitize the west (even further).

Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions. Of course the west would become extra fascist from getting heavily involved with a war on behalf of fascists. It’s so frustrating that we could see this was going to happen but could do nothing to stop it.

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions

that's not remotely how it works

fascism is an ideology that tends to crop up in societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system and there is a threat of communism to react to

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wrong. Liberalism and fascism are the same exact thing under different parts of the capitalist cycle. They are the same people fighting for the same interests.

If fascism requires a credible communist threat, why is it so widespread in Ukraine where there is no serious socialist center of power or movement? Fascism does require anti-communism, but it doesn’t require actual communists to oppose, just the Spectre of one in their imagination. It will find a suitable scapegoat and label it cultural marxist (as seen by the labeling of the Russian’s as “the new USSR” and conspiracies about Putin being controlled by the “commie Jews” or the “chicoms”)

Fascism does arise in crumbling capitalist states in periods of crisis, that much is true which is why I said it’s Liberalism under bad conditions.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system

So cops?

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