167
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
167 points (92.4% liked)
politics
19194 readers
3242 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
He's right.
All the GOP has to do it keep on blaming Biden for it and Fox News will repeat that narrative endlessly.
What's worse is that other media outlets will as well since Democrats will, as usual, remain quiet and have no marketing behind their message. Democrats will just go ahead and allow Republicans to place all the blame onto Biden because god forbid they ever try to defend themselves.
Yeah, but there is so much tone policing to be done, as well as the decorum and respect for the norms. Meaning, the Democratic Party is supposed to be a punching bag and not pipe up too much about all the gaslighting and the craziness from the hard right. The Democrats are held to a higher standard, at all times, even if they miss a comma somewhere, while the Republicans are held to none whatsoever, and expected to be awful.
Republicans are given one free-pass after another, while Democrats are held to impossibly-high standards.
Who are we kidding? Their base is so delusional it doesn't matter what happens - they will never vote anything but Rethuglican. One moment Trump is the shadow president actually running the show, the next it's Biden's fault but he's also a clone. It's amazing they remember to breath on a regular basis.
It isn't the base that we need to flip. No party can win with ONLY it's base. It is the roughly 1/3 of Americans who are independents that need to be convinced and increasingly they are rather sick and tired of the social nonsense they see from Democrats. They are sick of the identity politics BS and even if they might otherwise lean Democrat, they might not in the upcoming election.
Historically the public has blamed Republicans for shutting down the government when Republicans shut down the government. The divide in the caucus is between those Republicans in safe districts who have to be extremist in order to avoid getting primaried and those Republicans in competitive districts who might lose their seat in the general if the public blames the GOP for the shutdown. The Democrats mostly just have to message that they will take a reasonable deal to avoid the shutdown and let the rest be McCarthy's problem.
Eh, it didn't work out for them the last two times they tried. Despite the conservatives decades long war against "the government", their local economies are just as reliant on government spending as anyone else.
A shut down always hits red states harder, they're for the most part more dependent on federal funding for their social care. They typically also have more military bases, government agencies, and defense contractors as well.
So while you typically see more conservative cohesion, even with policy the majority of conservative politicians may not agree with..... the one thing you still can't do as a conservative is fuck with the bag. Conservatives = keep the money flowing, and the easiest way to do that is by capturing increased government spending, not shutting off the tap.
Do you actually think they understand that? I know ex-military who get a monthly pension who can't stop bad-mouthing the big bad gob'ment. Or ones who work for government contractors - literally their job is directly dependent on government money - and they are always complaining on how much money the gob'ment wastes on "useless" programs.
What kills me is that Democrats typically let people like these slide by lessening the hurt that they would otherwise feel if something happened to that gob'ment they hate so much. If I am not mistaken, last time, Dems were quick to propose that military members continued to get paid even when the government was shut down. All that does is soften the blow. It actually makes it easier for Republicans to force a shut down because they won't be harassed as much by their military members since they will still get paid. If you're not feeling the pain from a shut down, then you are more likely to support it.
They will get visibly agitated when this is pointed out, by the way. I remember asking someone who was complaining about "all the government waste" and blaming it on Obama at the time : "don't you work for [big defense contractor]? And all their money comes from the government?"
Lots of denial and anger followed. From a simple question that, if answered honestly, will utterly pierce their narrative...
We must know the same people! LOL
My theory is that a certain type of personality gets even more reactionary and "anti-government" the more they are on the dole. They wouldn't want their job/services cut, but they'll complain about "waste" and the supposedly lazy and undeserving having a job/getting some services...{ dog whistle }
The politicians do, and that's all that really matters. Why do you think corporations give them hundreds of thousands of dollars every year? I can tell you it's not to turn off the free government money.