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Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

rant:

I have been using Linux since 2006, a lefty and against the super-rich and big corporations since I remember (to the point of avoiding their products like the plague), also never having understood or accepted gender roles and other stupid traditional concepts, yet never turned into a communist 🤷

It baffles me that so many people think that respecting gender equality, understanding the evil in big corporations and avoiding them, valuing community and being tolerant (except for intolerance) and against discrimination somehow equals communism... I say this because I've been called a communist by many people who know me, while I have always rejected it explicitly!

/rant

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Id recommend you reading "socialism: utopian and scientific" by Engels. Because to me you sound exactly like the utopian socialist of the past.

[-] QwertySpace@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

What economic model do you believe in?

[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I can't really say I believe in a specific model, but to my knowledge, and for the current version of our world, welfare states seem to be doing the least worse currently. But really, I think our world is kinda too fucked up right now to be able to have any good social-economic system (in terms of maximum equality and minimum suffering, I guess.)

Ideally, I'd prefer no state, only local communities managing themselves (something like city states, maybe?) and their relations to other communities... but I know it's just a dream, at least for the foreseeable future, considering the current realities and the ass-people in power. Because that would need many really peaceful, non-greedy and non-selfish people, which... well, never mind.

P.s. Sorry for the pessimism, and I might be wrong of course, which I really hope I am.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

You're describing communalism, if you're interested.

[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks. Maybe, kind of. My knowledge on the topic is limited, but I think communalism (or some version of it) could involve some form of loyalty to one's ethnic group or community, which absolutely disagree with.
Social responsibility: Yes. But loyalty, especially towards something ultimately meaningless such as ethnicity: No.
My values are respecting individual choices, rights and well-being of others (which also entails some responsibility).

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

I completely agree. However, as I understand, the tradition as it stems from Murray Bookchin explicitly condemns this arbitrary categorisation.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

local communities managing themselves (something like city states maybe?) and their relations to other communities

Your describing a Soviet you filthy commie.

But for real what your describing is communism as marx originally thought of it. The one example marx gave as a model for what communism would be was the Paris commune which adheres to a lot of what you said. Most leftist agree that that's the end goal it's just a matter of how to get there. Lenin originally pitched the Soviet Union as just that, a bunch of local councils(soviets) freely cooperating and making there own rules. He saw how the Paris commune's openness and military indecisiveness led to it being brutally suppressed though and wanted an interim top down dictatorship and rapid brutal industrialization to handle this threat. The threat never went away though, first with the Nazis almost annihilating them then the u.s. pointing nukes at them, so neither did the dictatorship.

Their end goal was still avowedly the same though, and communism, to me at least, is about that goal. Their are a bunch of different theoretical paths to it, and there's tonnes of infighting as to which ones the best, but all communists agree that the commune/Soviet/city state should have all the power.

[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the explanation.

The problem is exactly the "how", as you described. And personally, I don't really have any idea, since all the possible ways seem to involve somehow contradicting that goal "temporarily" (by using violence, limiting individual liberties, etc.), which I don't like. I think maybe over time, (a very long time, perhaps?) the way of thinking of human societies will slowly (and through a painful process) shift to that direction (and maybe not! who knows!).

Either way, life is painful and world is cruel.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 year ago

Reformism is the term for a path to socialism without the use of violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformism

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 year ago

That's pretty similar to the social democratic system that they had in Sweden before the 90s. Many critical services were government agencies, such as the railroad, the phone network, and the pharmacies. Health care and rental housing were handled by the municipality or the county.

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 1 points 1 year ago

And they got the idea from URSS

[-] Gamey@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I would say you are somewhere between arnachism and socialism with that view but I am no expert ether!

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Those two have big overlaps. "Libertarian socialism" used to be another term for anarchism.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Sounds a lot like me. That's not communism, that's just being a decent person. One that respects others and just wants everyone to live a good life without being the target of hate and harassment.

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 2 points 1 year ago

That's overlapping with communism.

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