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submitted 9 months ago by imAadesh@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 179 points 9 months ago

Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement. Open source ecosystem primarily run by volunteers has produces some of the most interesting and innovative technologies that we've seen. The reality is that people make interesting things because they're curious and they enjoy making stuff. Pretty much nobody makes anything interesting with profit being the primary motive.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 89 points 9 months ago

Also without open source the capitalist tech sector would collapse

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[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 46 points 9 months ago

capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement

I don't know who is arguing this because it's incredibly stupid. The greatest scientific minds of history, the mathematicians, the physicists, the inventors, were not capitalists, they're people with passion for their work.

If we move to a society that guarantees basic human needs and good education, we're only going to have more scientists and engineers that progress technology even faster.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 33 points 9 months ago

And while we are at it... novelists, poets, painters, musicians, philosophers, ...

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[-] S_H_K@lemmy.fmhy.net 25 points 9 months ago

The innovation argument is shaky at best many of the corporations innovations are brought or copied really. Is a story that became pretty common in the latest decades one guy come with a good idea some other mofo takes it and profits with it.

[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 40 points 9 months ago

That's why it's important to use hard copyleft licenses like the GPLv3 instead of merely open-source MIT or BSD licenses wherever possible when you publish software.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 30 points 9 months ago

Indeed, the corps did a whole campaign lobbying for permissive licenses precisely so they could plunder open source work. Hard copyleft should be used for any serious project.

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[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 162 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was feeling the last part had some more story behind it so I went ahead and found this:

Seems like I'm a full-blown woke communist too

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 62 points 9 months ago

Doesn't read like he's an actual communist, more insulting people (rightly so) that would call liberals communists.

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[-] darcy@sh.itjust.works 46 points 9 months ago

er... did torvalds just say trans rights? based alert

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

It's strange to me that any of the things he said is controversial.

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[-] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 113 points 9 months ago

Context for those who are baffled (I was)

https://news.itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-woke-communists/

No Linus hasn't grabbed a red rag and isn't off to foment revolution

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I liked the take by the utterly clueless Polish guy in the comment. I think his complete lack of understanding of any context is quite typical of online political conversation, especially when semantics come into play.

Also Linus did call for "Total world domination" (I have the tshirt).

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 76 points 9 months ago

The Linux to trans anarchocommunist catgirl pipeline is very real. The moment you move to Arch it's already over.

[-] Caitlynn@feddit.de 22 points 9 months ago

I'm feeling called out

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[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 60 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

rant:

I have been using Linux since 2006, a lefty and against the super-rich and big corporations since I remember (to the point of avoiding their products like the plague), also never having understood or accepted gender roles and other stupid traditional concepts, yet never turned into a communist 🤷

It baffles me that so many people think that respecting gender equality, understanding the evil in big corporations and avoiding them, valuing community and being tolerant (except for intolerance) and against discrimination somehow equals communism... I say this because I've been called a communist by many people who know me, while I have always rejected it explicitly!

/rant

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[-] whou@lemmy.ml 46 points 9 months ago

I too just turned into a Marxist after finding out about Linux and software freedom in 2020 lol

I think there might be more than a handful of us. Welcome, comrade.

[-] imAadesh@lemmy.ml 31 points 9 months ago
[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 9 months ago

Linus Torvalds is a "full-blown woke communist"? Citation needed.

I have been a FOSS enthusiast since my preteen or early teenage years (mid-to-late 2000s), yet I am not in any sense a communist.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

"full-blown woke communist" is US-speak for "Scandinavian socialist"

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 21 points 9 months ago

The term you want is social democrat, which isn't socialism but hey, it tries to like, stop people starving to death on the street, if only because it looks ugly.

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[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

unfortunately I think this is just him saying he's a "woke communist" if being a woke communist is atheism, women's rights, and gun control. I don't think he's a marxist of any stripe it seems. However, I am willing to be corrected here. I've only seen this post regarding to him.

But Linux is programming-communism

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 20 points 9 months ago

His dad was a straight up member of the Finnish Communist Party. He's still alive, and is even a member of the European Parliament, but seems more liberal/centrist these days.

Linus himself seems to be pretty mum on politics.

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[-] bear@slrpnk.net 44 points 9 months ago
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[-] mustardman@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

fidel-salute-big welcome comrade!

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

ITT: people who have no idea what communism is

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[-] citrusface@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

...I just didn't want windows advertising to me.

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[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Shit this is too accurate

[-] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 23 points 9 months ago

Literally same, even the years match up lol

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[-] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

What? These things are not related to each other by a good margin. In fact, since the FOSS is completely orderless, it goes against communism; which requires some sort of order just to be able to function. But either way, the parallel is not there or questionable at best, not to mention irrelevant.

Can we NOT drag useless politics into FOSS?

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

the marxism understander has logged on

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[-] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

Fine, but dont defend tyranical regimes. They are bad no mather who they say they read. They could could claim to be following the teachings of fucking Mr Roggers but if they have concentration camps then thats not utopic or very humanitarian in my opinion, specially if ther is some mad dictator in power with everything no matter how manny extra steps are in between.

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